Study Reveals the Age Men Find Women Most Attractive—And It’s Seriously Disturbing

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We live in a time where many of us pour tons of time and money into staving off the signs of aging—whether that means dutifully applying eye serum every night before bed, or hitting up your derm for some preventative Botox in your twenties.

But some disturbing data shows that as women, if we want to be attractive as we age, the best thing we can do is really just not age past 20.

Christian Rudder, co-founder of OKCupid, wrote an article on Jezebel that delves into the dating site’s data “built from tens of millions of preferences expressed in the act of finding a date.” The data reveals some pretty depressing results about what men are looking for in women.

Women prefer someone roughly around their own age. Before 30, they’re looking for slightly older men; once they hit 30, they are interested in someone slightly younger. Throughout her forties, a woman is most attracted to men at right around the age of 40. “If we want to pick the point where a man’s sexual appeal has reached its limit, it’s there: 40,” Rudder notes. Yikes.

But even more yikes? All men, from those in their twenties to those who are fifty, want to date a woman in her early twenties. The most commonly chosen ages are 20-23. For almost every year in his thirties, a man is most attracted to a 20-year-old woman. And a 50-year-old man is really gunning for a 22-year old on his arm.

What these stats imply: “A woman’s at her best when she’s in her very early twenties. Period,” says Rudder. Or, you can look at it this way: Men’s expectations never grow up. “A 50-year-old man’s idea of what’s hot is roughly the same as a college kid’s.” Is it wrong to say that after the initial shock, we’re kind of not really that shocked at all?

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  • Katja Quinn

    Uh … why is this disturbing? It’s not like they like 13-year-olds or something.

  • Edith Thurman

    Thats because most men never age mentally past the point of 20 TOPS! Even if he’s 80 he still thinks like he’s 20. Majority still think like they’re 18.

    • Matt Gray

      C’mon Edith. Give us a break.

      • Jinky Gallinero

        Haha… I think she’s right!

    • Mohamed Zakaria Mohamed Ariff

      Assalammualaikum, actually Edith, personally I prefer women in early 30’s. more matured and focused.

    • Senzu

      I think the scientific community would strongly disagree with you there, so go research it a bit before you make stupid comments.

      • Edith Thurman

        Yo rocket scientist what the hell do you think this article was about??? Men trying to stay 20 by dating 20 year olds! Plus science is actually on my side, saying that men are more or less still in cave man behavior! Why don’t you try to do a little research before you make smart arse comments that only prove my point!

        • Senzu

          Hey moron, it’s “the men don’t age past the age of 20” comment you made I was talking about….do you really need rocket science to disagree with that? Use some common sense before you speak please, science is actually on you side huh? Show me a worthy scientific article that shows men don’t age past 20, and how do you know that cave men dated only 20 year olds and try to stay with younger women? You have a time machine also then? You’re a moron my friend, or at least it’s looking that way by what you’re saying, because it makes no sense. Plus that article just generalize, and as for the men that dates younger women, I know why because I’m a man, and yeah we’re different, but I guess men and women have to be the same right? Because the field of psychology is being overrun by women now, and they think they know the answers to everything right…..and they can’t even figure out that we’re different, what a shame.

          • Edith D Thurman

            For someone who likes to yell and call names, you’re not very bright! I was saying it to be a smart ass, if you couldn’t figure that out then I guess you’re the moron! Psychology is being overrun by women??? So you are a misogynistic ass! Yes men are different, they are little toddlers that are having a tantrum, because women figured out they do NOT need you! Now you want to scream, kick and moan go right ahead, personally I don’t arguer with two year olds its pointless!

          • Senzu

            Just like the rest of the other know it all women, yet they don’t know shit and lie about everything much like you did in your last comment. While my point is based on facts, yours is based stupidity. Just like most uneducated simple minded feminists, you’re using the word misogynistic because you can’t think and defend yourself when the truth and real facts comes your way. I never screamed once, just wanted to figure out exactly how backward you are, and you did well in answering that. Lastly if you think men NEED women, you’re not only stupid but crazy as well. Most men don’t care anymore and you can thank the feminists for that. Yeah we may need you for that one night, but that’s about it, so tell me who needs who. In fact this very article is about that, but again it missed the entire point of why men choose to do what they do.

            Try to defend yourself like a man next time and not like a woman, you know the lies, changing topic, not going with the facts. After all we’re equal now right, so grow up and act like it. At the very least stick to the topic and try to make some sense.

          • Edith D Thurman

            Seriously? First off my original comment was a joke, if you geniuses couldn’t figure that out then that’s your problem! Second how was it do wrong? Since that was actually what this article that was based off of an actual study just showed everyone! Now look who the dumbass is!

          • Senzu

            Nah it’s still you, trust me I know.

          • TruthSeeker

            Indeed it is. She was NOT joking, and has men/daddy issues. Meh, gotta love the crazies, they keep things interesting, lol!

          • Michael Milligan

            It was obvious to me she was kidding. I laughed because it was funny; and it was funny for the same reason remarks like that are usually funny – there’s a bit of truth to it.

            When you call someone a “moron”, you’ve crossed the line and become abusive, so, as the man said, “do you think we might ease it down a little bit?”

          • TruthSeeker

            I don’t know, “how was it do wrong?”, LMAO!! You are just too easy!
            See, ^^^^ there’s a comma used in there as well.

          • Paul Abel

            Edith is just pissed because she is over 23 and we don’t want her anymore.

          • Edith D Thurman

            LMFAO I would not want to be 23 again EVER. Plus I have not been in any kind of relationship in close to ten years, thank god for early menopause. I do not need a man for anything, never needed one, now don’t want one. So trust me I’m not pissed in any way shape or form! Much happier now!

          • Paul Abel

            I can identify with that. I get lonely sometimes, but I too have not been in a relationship for a number of years. Life is certainly less complicated! In my current situation I am too busy for what most women would find acceptable. I do not have enough time for myself let alone to give a woman the time she deserves.

          • TruthSeeker

            Looks like someone hates men. Was daddy mean, or were you seduced by a cheerleader and been lickity slit happy ever since? Babble on…

          • Edith D Thurman

            No I don’t hate men just idiots!

          • TruthSeeker

            We all do! Stop being one, please and thank you. And, if you were “just making a joke”, you shouldn’t have defended said joke in the following comment.

          • Edith D Thurman

            Maybe you should read the article again! It said the same thing I did just used different words! Can you understand that! I’m for from being an idiot but I do get tired of reading their replys!

          • TruthSeeker

            No need to read the article again. The first comment was what stood out. Then, your continued insidious “Little toddler like tantrums” made me reply. Maybe you should read your comments again. “I’M just joking”, “Men are little toddlers”… MmmmHmm.
            Oh, and no one is forcing you to read replies, or, reply to them.

          • Edith D Thurman

            Of course you don’t, because you know everything just like all men! Yes I am judging why because that’s how you are acting! You are right no one is forcing me to reply, just that stupidity pisses me off! Could be why I stay angry when I’m online so many dumbass people! So since all of you are so intelligent that you couldn’t find your head from your anus I will stop replying! Since all you seam to want to do is measure how big it is, if it b egos or little peckers, and I’m tired of men and their raised lite egos having tantrums! So have fun arguing with yourself!

          • TruthSeeker

            Hahahahaha!! Have fun at Pulse…

          • Mike Francis

            God I am glad I married my wife So Hee. It is the reason why I decided to find my wife outside of the United States. American Women say they want a Kind, intelligent thoughtful man. They get one , then cheat on them for a guy that slaps them around. I have no time for the stupid drama that is infested with the mentality of American women. So next time you see a Smart Attractive American man with a beautiful intelligent thoughtful Asian woman attached to his arm and you scowl behind their back. The reason is your attitude and you need to be the center of attention.

            And no , she did not marry me for a green card. So Hee is a college graduate majoring in Information Technology and she works in Korea. Only time we go back to the states is to see my family.

            I don’t care how old a woman is, she could be 20 or 40 i wont give them the time of day if they are entitled drama queen and crazy. Change your attitude , treat your men with respect if they treat you with respect.

          • TruthSeeker

            I’m fine here with my wife, twin sons and baby girl. Thanks…

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            No one has an issue with that lifestyle. I think its these articles that imply women are only good till 24 or something, that triggers reactions. I hope you will want your wife as she ages is all.

          • TruthSeeker

            Did you mean ‘replies’? IDIOT! Making women look really bad here, way to go! You’re FOR from? Dafuq is that? You’ve already opened your mouth and proven yourself. Next time, try just shutting your split licker!

          • Edith D Thurman

            You know dumbass auto correct doesn’t always work the way it is supposed to, just like your mouth! Now why don’t you shut your misogynistic damn face, cause I’m sick of listening to your stupidity! Good bye you useless waste of space!

          • TruthSeeker

            That should be: ‘You know, dumbass’. Auto correct can’t fix stupid, now can it? I’m a misogynist? HAHAHA! Put on your flannel and demand you need not shave, you bull-dyke. How do you listen text? What a no one, with a skewed view on life. Hate on… LOL!!

          • Mark Johnson

            You say “good bye” a lot but never go away.

          • http://www.ptr91.com/products/PTR%20MSG%2091?id=11 Saint James Matamoros

            So you are self loathing?

          • Edith D Thurman

            No actually I’m not, I just loath ignorance. Good bye

          • Edith D Thurman

            How us not liking idiots self loathing? Do you even comprehend English?

          • Marián Knotek

            Couldnt you simply ignore us, toddlers, leave us in peace to bang girls in their 20s and everybody will be happy? I cannot see any conflict between our interests, unless you want to bang them as well, just your hatred that will eventually destroy you. Looks like you are beyond point of repair.

          • primetime2123

            Agree. You gives a shit what two consenting adults do ? Old women do cause no one wants them. But I don’t care if old women are banging their paid boy toys. I don’t care who or what old women bang as long as its not me

          • David Thompson

            Well Edith It is now very obvious that you are a very angry and bitter human being indeed. I am pretty sure you are very jealous of those hot girls in their 20s. your ignorance and stupidity is laughable, and you wonder why guys arn’t attracted to you. For christ sake do a little research so you can actually know what the fuck you are talking about. Its women like you that make me attracted to girls in their 20s. Do you really think that your childish and imature beleifs are above that of evolution and human nature. You make me sick, so go to hell!!!

          • Edith D Thurman

            It’s funny how you find a post I started as a joke god knows how long ago, and accuse me of being angry. I have not responded to anyone on the for months. It WAS A JOKE. Yet all you guys have a F&CKING conniption fit over it. No one even asked the scientific evidence! It’s that men have two heads and NEVER use the one with a brain, women have one head IT HAS A BRAIN IN IT! See funny ha ha! Now goodbye go argue with someone stupid enough to listen to you!

          • David Thompson

            Wow Edith you have totally proved your self now haven’t you. Your attitude makes my point completely. You are certainly a very childish person indeed. I was told once that you can never really rationalize with irational people, and to never try. What great advise that was. Your irational attitude makes me feel a strong sence of superiority over you. Joke or no joke, in your childishness you made comments that are irrational and foolish totally deserving of criticism. But as a child can’t handel a bit of just critism you have a HISSY FIT over it and blame all men across the land. You just have to face the fact that men probably don’t find you attractive any more. It seems you think its ok to dish it out but can’t handel getting it back. Please go and do some research about BASIC human procreation principles and evolution. While your at it, go and grow the f*ck up. Thank you for pointing out your irational and childish nature. I now feel so much more superior than you now.

          • Edith D Thurman

            Better yet why don’t you just puss off! I’m tired of all the crap, because men get their panties in a bunch if anyone dare challenges their manhood! Seriously just grow up! I really don’t care if you feel superior or not. I don’t have to research it I’ve been doing that for 30 years. PS I am grown up. You’re the one having the tantrum, because your little ego got bruised. a GOOD BYE!!!!

          • David Thompson

            Oh,Edith, Edith, Edith. Every post you make only just proves my point. You are sooooooooooo child like aren’t you. From the very begining YOU were the one with your panties in a bunch and a man sized chip on your sholder when you made your childish statement about men not aging mentally past 20. Your ignorant statment was asking for rational criticism. But your getting your little panties in a bunch because YOUR EGO GOT BRUISED. AND YOUR WOMENHOOD GOT CHALLENGED. You think its ok to dish it out but can’t handle getting it back. That is a very narcissistic trait really. Or a traight of the psychopath. If you have only had 30 years experience you are obviously still very imature. It is very clear to see your imaturity in every one of your posts, ITS OBVIOUS. Your telling me to grow up now. Well I have to tell you I am an engineer with a very high IQ, so I have to put you in your place there. If men are so imature and brainless as you claim why is it that practically all inventions, engineering and scientific discoveries are contributed to the world by men, NOT WOMEN. Answers is women are irrational, just like you. You proved you have very little understanding of how humanity works. You really can’t be very inteligent at all if you don’t understand the basic nature of your own species. I shall spell it out again considering you are retarded.

            Men have a natural instint to seek out certain characteristics that signal fertility, health and ability to carry and complete pregnancy. These characteristics are present, and at peek when women are in their early 20s. Men are not simply choosing to be attracted to women in their 20s, because they want to. It is the inbuilt instict driven by bioligy and evolution. This is actually an extremly inteligent feature of men in action, not a bad thing but a procreative imperitive.Women who have babies in their mid to late 30s have higher rates of birth defects. The rate of birth defects continue to rise above 40. Women in their 20s have the least birth defects and most healthy babies. If men wern’t attracted to women in their 20s the rates of birth defects would sky rocket and threaten the survival and prosperity of the species. So who do you think you are to question and belittle thousands of years of biological development and evolution. Can you see now how childish you are? Once again, get the chip off your sholder and grow up!

          • Edith D Thurman

            Piss off twit! Nope I did not bother to even read your ignorant drival it’s simply a waste of my time. Good bye..

          • David Thompson

            FUCK OFF and die you piece of feminist feminatzi shit. The world will very much celibrate the passing of scum like you. Your existence is a waste of time and precious resources.Its cunts like you that make the world a fucked up place. Perhaps a more abusive message like this is better suited to your limited childish maturity level. I posted my valid rational comments as I have a right to do, then YOU responded with aggression and abuse. Very typical feminatzi behaviour indeed. How imature your tiny little feminatzi mind is. Thats why feminists have never contributed any inventions or scientific discoveries to the world, because obviously their tiny little minds are NOT rational. Your tiny little shit filled brain is obsessed with men hating. So just FUCK OFF and die you piece of feminatzi scum.

          • Edith D Thurman

            Oh you poor little balless boy, why are you so upset by me? Did your mommy not love you enough, or was it too much? PS The word feminist means EQUALITY you ignorant fool…..bye bye

          • David Thompson

            Oh deary me its little miss shemale titanium tits, with her/his tiny little cock. Why is it you hate the big bad men so much? Did daddy molest your little cock when you was a wee bub, or did you try to fuck your mummy in the arse hole.

            Nothing about your behaviour has anything to do with equality. Psychopath sums it up nicely. I actually am an advocate for equality for women. Its a real shame that people like you make a mockery out of it and create the femenatzi ideology. Beleive me you are doing you cause no good the way you behave. Men can see straight through it.

            So once again do us a favour and fuck off and die bitch. See you understood that much better didn’t you because that is the level at which our mentality opporates you psycho cunt licker. Mwha mwha mwha

            Toodle oo

          • Edith D Thurman

            You know what you’re a real piece of crap. I don’t even consider myself a feminist except in the sense of equality. Plus when I first wrote my original post I was deficient in several key nutrients, so yes I way angry and b$tchy. Now I’m perfectly happy, and back to my old self. Which is exactly why you have absolutely NO effect on me what so ever. So screen tell cuss it really doesn’t bother me one bit. YOUBDO NOT EFFECT ME! I do not depend on others for my happiness, because I already have it. You might want to try reading “The Mood Cure” it’s a very good book, and might help you quite a bit. So now I am done with you. Nope I still did not bother reading your little rant, because I know what you said is not about me, it’s about YOU. So YOU can keep it, I don’t want it. No more replies bye bye…

          • David Thompson

            Hello Edith,
            Lets call a truce. I’ll forgive you if you forgive me. It was all in fun. I hope you have sorted out your nutrition and are feeling better now. I take a Blackmores muti vitamin all the time myself. I do support equally for women very much and think its an important issue. I think women are beautiful creatures and respect them very much. Unfortunately there are some real crazys out there who make it a joke and distroy respect for the movement. I did kind of get the impression in some of your posts that you were one of those crazys, so I’m sorry if I got you wrong. I am sure you really are a wonderful person.
            So no hard feelings, as I said it was all in fun. I wish you all the best.

          • Mark Johnson

            Egalitarian means equality. Feminist does not.

          • Edith D Thurman

            But I’m childish LMFAO hehehehe

          • Crystal Holly

            Again, isn’t “childish” what’s considered desirable in this discussion according to you?

          • Crystal Holly

            Isn’t it odd that you find Edith “childish” in a derogatory sense yet defend your attraction towards women who have barely surpassed the the age of “teen”? Hmmmm

          • Paul Abel

            Wow! That is quite a tantrum you just had there Edith! The fact is, men don’t need women anymore than women need men. The majority of modern American women offer little that attracts us men after their age gets the better of them. Women have tried too hard to be men, to have the same “power” as men. To be just as brash and outspoken as men. Us men don’t find that attractive. You are welcome to it, but most men prefer women to be women. Not some bitchy women’s lib version of a woman. We don’t find that attractive in the least. So, after the looks have gone, what are we left with? What exactly do you women have to offer us??

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            Calling another name’s and yelling…has small hands too.

        • David Thompson

          Wow, we certainly share this world with some really ignorant people don’t we. Yes Edith you should go and do some research before you go shooting off your mouth. You obviously don’t have a great understanding of human nature. Really you are rather imature yourself. From an evolutionary perspective women in their 20s are more fertile and better capable of producing healthy offspring. It is therfore very wise of men to seek out youger girls. It doesn’t at all make sence to waste our male seed on those who are reproductivly inferior. Perhaps really you are just resentfully jealous of those who are more attractive than you.

          • David Thompson

            I agree

        • Brandon

          There’s truth in every “joke”.

        • http://www.ptr91.com/products/PTR%20MSG%2091?id=11 Saint James Matamoros

          So where is your research data little girl?

      • Linda Jo Quinn

        Again, he being not able to keep to topic without a temper tantrum. Not able to remain objective, focused are signs he is not a scientist beside the tell tale sign of a woman hater yet a little girl liker.

    • Frank Castle

      No. It’s because men are attracted to women who have plenty of healthy eggs in her Fallopian Tubes. Women are attracted to status, power, money, the ability to provide. This generally means older men. After 40 the body starts to deteriorate significantly.

    • David Thompson

      No, its not because men don’t age beyond 20 mentally. This is a very imature uderstanding of nature indeed. The real reason why men are attracted to younger women is a totally natural thing. Men are hard wired to seek out the most fertile, healthy and reproductive girls. The ones that have the most successful ability to produce healthy offspring. As women age their reproductive capacity is ever diminishing.
      So for men to seek out younger girls is very wise from an evolutionary perspective. To say men don’t age mentally beyond 20 shows your considerable lack of understanding in nature. Please give it some thought and do some research before you make ridiculous comments.

      • JWeeks

        Also shows how socially acceptable it is to be sexist towards men.

    • LeonardoDeecaprio

      lol yea it has nothing to do with the fact that women are just better looking and more physically attractive when they’re younger. Nothing at all. Only “mature” men prefer old, used, starting to wrinkle, tired women. If she has kids, bonus! lol Someone eats too may bowls of delusion for breakfast. OP logic = Mentally feeble men prefer more physically attractive women. Then the loser spends a year monitoring this thread trying to convince the internet that “it was just a joke”. lol pathetic.

      • Edith D Thurman

        Oh yes genius you’ve got it all figured out. Just because a lot of men just want to chase twenty year old crotch means they’re mentally more feeble? NOT! Their mentality has nothing to do with age. Just ask Stephen Hawking! Your logic is FLAWED! Actually it’s not even logical, it’s a man trying to make excuses for sleeping with younger women. Oh and I do NOT monitor this ignorant Fucking discussion. When people who I have NOT blocked comment it sends me notifications. Sometimes I read them, sometimes I don’t give a crap. LMFAO yes my life depends on ignorant shit people spue online. Do you really think anyone is that bored?

    • Biytor .

      Vast majority of woman are only in it for the money. They never get past the greedy, I deserve this because I have a vagina mentality of teens. Most woman think that beef & cheese in a catchers mitt is as good at 40 as it was at 18.

      • Edith D Thurman

        Unfortunately you are right. I have never understood people like that. I do not know what makes them think just because you marry someone you deserve half or all of what “they” make when you leave! Get off your ass and go to work. I do not believe in spousal support.

        • Crayven

          That’s the fault of the law.
          In other countries what you have prior to marriage remains yours alone and only what you produce during marriage is split in case of divorce.

          ENTER FEMINIST BULLSHIT !….

    • wjax

      No its because younger women are less entitled, much more enthusiastic about sex, and more likely to just want to have fun rather than trying to trap a man into committing to them. OTOH the older ladies have passed their prime and become desperate to snag a man before it is too late. No thanks, I’ll date the younger gals. 🙂

      • Edith D Thurman

        Now that is an honest response! Thank you, and yes I do agree. I don’t understand women’s need to be in a relationship. It’s not like we’ll cease to exist without one. People are to afraid of being alone.

        • primetime2123

          you have a biological clock while men do not. so 30+ year old women trying to rush a man into marriage is a major turnoff to men

      • Aperson Inscarborough

        Many men say the opposite…that older women are more fun, comfortable with themselves, and independant..

    • ToughStuff2012

      Looks only go so far. The naggy entitled want everything but bring nothing to the table mentality of a lot of American women is tolerable between the ages of 20-23. Past that, they need to have that rarer characteristic of actually being lovable in order to be attractive.

      • Edith D Thurman

        Now that I can completely agree with, no matter what sex you happen to be!

    • Brent

      I have a nice garden in my back yard bustling with the activity of growing plants, busy insects, chirping birds. It’s spring and all the young fruit trees are full of flowers. Bees and hummingbirds are busily visiting the flowers, nourishing themselves and pollenating the flowers, which will ripen into fruit and might someday grow into new trees.

      In the far corner is a wonderful, mature apricot tree. It’s trunk is old, sturdy wood–hard and strong unlike the younger trees with branches of fresh, flexible wood. My children grew up playing in that tree and eating its sweet fruit every summer; but now many of the hardened limbs have cracked. It has few blossoms. No butterflies, bees or birds visit it. Seeing it there quiet and lonely in the corner, I can’t help but feel a bit sad.

      • Edith D Thurman

        That was a beautiful story. I love spring, and you brought it to life. I’m more blunt. I’ve always been better with numbers than the English language, but I love to read. Yes every thing gets old eventually. Our problem as humans is our fear of death. Instead of enjoying our age we try so hard to fight it, including trying to live through others in any way we can. I often wonder why we worry so about it. It’s not likes it’s avoidable at all.

    • lowercrimenow

      Also shows women just like money.

    • Christopher Madden

      Well! That’s a nice ignorant genreralization, and a nice big “fuck you” to all the men who go to work, raise children, take care of their aging parents until they die, strive for depth and maturity and the like. You must be hanging around some winners to make that blanket assumption, Edith Thurman.

      • Edith D Thurman

        You’re taking my comment about a large number of people to mean all of them. First off if you are doing all that why are you bothering to read silly articles like this? No not all the men I know are like that, but unfortunately in this world a lot of people care about nothing but boosting their egos, and getting notches on their belt. That’s the ones who are really pissed off by what I said. Any person who actually cares for others, besides just themselves would blow off my comment, and move on. If you are raising your children, and enjoying your life, and don’t care about how many women you get to sleep with, then my comment was not about you! It’s all about self reflection. If you identify with my comment, or it pisses you off, it normally, not always, but normally means your ego is all you care about.

        • Crayven

          If you meet men who “just want notches on their bed” then you’re in the wrong circles, miss.
          Start dating more serious men.

    • Linda Jo Quinn

      It doesn’t really matter what they are attracted to. They can’t get them and sexually the majority of older men can in no way keep up with a younger woman, never mind one in their 40’s and beyond. Let them poor men think that they are still stud muffins. The gals think of them as gross daddy middle-aged men.

    • Robert

      Actually, the global hostility and condescension towards men displayed by you in this post is very characteristic of western women, and an example of why men are less inclined to be interested in a woman once she’s past her sexual peak. When she’s young, fit, hot, and not quite bitter yet, she’s appealing.

      When she’s older, bitter, fatter, but has spent more years under the influence of western feminist thought and is therefore more hostile, entitled, and demanding, who is going to want to spend time around such a person?

      • Paul Abel

        Wow Robert! You are spot on with this. Bravo!!

      • Sarah

        I think the point about not being bitter yet is very telling. When we are young, we have less experience and less hurts to remember. Women can be sensitive and these experiences accumulate. I believe it’s the same for men but men process it differently. I think it makes sense to flush these experiences out so we can be refreshed and not come back into the world or a new relationship with all that pain still so fresh. I think all the complaints you made about women here are things I’ve also seen in men. Women are, in general, feeling a sense of general and specific hostility, that comes from being in a position of oppression. I realise that oppression is difficult to understand when one is not on the receiving end, but, like people of color in the Western world, women of all colors receive a degree of oppression throughout their lives that may leave them with more feelings of disdain than one who does not (receive oppression) would expect. Perhaps this is the source of their negative feelings? Compassion is the answer to your question.

      • Aperson Inscarborough

        Why do men always use the word fat? I see older fat men much more than I do women

        • Robert

          Well, you may think you see that, but statistically more women are obese in this country (40%) than men (35%) (you can google this), so there are in fact more fat women than fat men.

  • Jeff Collins

    I think the article is very generalized and yes many men prefer younger women for various reasons, but I still find older women in their 30’s 40’s and 50’s very attractive and sexy.

    • Eddy Unruh

      Well it’s a study which means the average/% and not what one or two white knights prefer which propably even lie

    • David Stocker

      I agree completely Jeff. As long as the woman is intelligent, takes some pride in her appearance, is frisky and enthusiastic in the bedroom, women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s can be very hot. Smooth features and youthful beauty are undeniably attractive, but attitude is where it is at and mature women tend to know what they want and go for it. Intiative, experience, and passion are far more sexy to me.

  • tr7fan

    guess im differnt i sure as heck dont want a twenty year old. ive had a strong hint from a 23 yeear old the olther day and im 60. if you ever watched the show NORTHERN EXPOSURE there was a young woman married to an older man and they ran thier restuarnant. experience has showed me not to even mess with anyone younger than 40

    • Edith Thurman

      OMG I loved that show! I have never had a type or age preference, I’m more attracted to someone I can carry on a decent conversation with, and who gets my smart arse jokes…AKA the guys don’t age past 18 hehehe

  • tr7fan

    i beg to differ with this. i went into a business one day and the young lady just smles and spread her legs. all i had to do was say the word thats been a few years back

  • tr7fan

    i had guys my age bragging that there having sex with a 20 year old in regular conversation. i think this guy was so happy about it he was telling everybody . he just kept saying it. i dont really care about what hes doing . me i dont always get the clues woman are providing because im so used to being alone after a rotten marriage and the divorce was the good part. maybe thats why i encounter these things as im not actively pursuing a relationship. i do not want to be married to some twenty year old at my age. this has been going on since i got divorced and at first i didnt pay much attention because i wasnt looking to be with anyone after what id just gotten out of ., anyway thats how it is where i live

  • Senzu

    So men made you women that way huh? Talking about fucking, most women under 30 these days fuck more than men, you know, it’s that equal rights shit they’re high on.They have more partners as well, and don’t even start with lying because to hide all those men they fucked, well lying is used all the time…..so chill out there Bonita, because you could blame the women’s rights movement for everything you just listed.

    Women like you are so dumb that you complain about shit that happens to you by other women and can’t even see it. So blame the feminists for all the shit you just listed because they want more than equal rights, so you girls have to live with the guys that adjusted to that bs mentality they created….

  • Senzu

    Good point, yet you just backed up my entire point that younger women mess around a lot these days, even more than the guys. So yeah they sleep around a lot and want to experience as much as they can, so the older men is all the same to them, some may prefer them because of they’re usually more experienced as well.

  • Tom Troff

    The truth behind it is men often confuse youth and beauty. A plain young woman will appear to be beautiful to the casual observer, but a truly beautiful woman remains beautiful for a very long time. The idea that men never mentally age is as cliche as assuming that every woman is a gold digger.

    • Edith D Thurman

      True. I wasn’t referring to all, just most. There are men who think all women are gold diggers, and I understand their points as well. I did like your expression.

  • Josh H

    You’re all overthinking this. The reason guys prefer girls around age 20 is simply because girls are most attractive near that age, then their looks start to go downhill pretty quick, (just being honest). All you talking about evolution, intellect, maturity, fertility, or what have you, are just attempting to sound smart, but you’re not. This is just pure superficial, “She’s hot.” The end.

    • Sarah

      disagree, I looked terrible at that age but looked amazing after 25, so I thought and so everyone told me. Their looks don’t go downhill quickly. Perhaps your perception goes downhill quickly? I think girls at 20 usually look like children. Girls don’t look like adults until around 25. I think adult/sex/legality should adjust from 18 to 25. It’s around 25 that the human brain actually becomes “adult”. The future of what is considered adulthood should look toward science and brain development. If you have sex with someone under 25, and you are older, you are on a slippery slope of child molestation. They simply are not cognitively adjusted to adulthood yet. Science says that we are not really adults until 24-26 or so. I would say that I was a child until about the age of 25, for sure. I was still balancing adulthood and childhood at that time.

      • Jeffmc60450

        I kind of agree with both of you. Women under 25 tend to still look like children – very attractive children but children none the less. I feel more an urge to give them a sweater and ask about their plans for the future than bed them. Of course I am a teacher and have wired myself to ignore sexiness in most women under 25. But Josh is also correct because men are wired to find women between 17-23 attractive because that is when they are most fertile. You can whisper the word sex in a girl that age’s ear and make her pregnant.

        • Sarah

          Which is another good reason not to bed a grown up looking child! I think our biology likes sugar but we can remove it from our diet happily. Liking such young women is just some part of your monkey brain you can gain control over. And then be happier as a result.

        • primetime2123

          you and I both know that men like softer features in women. when women age these features disappear.

          • PaisleyMoon

            I am 50 years old and my picture is current; I am considered nice looking, and it isn’t all about what men want! Men get less good looking too, lower your standards, you aren’t all that great and you don’t have all the choices

          • primetime2123

            good thing men’s dating value is not solely based on his looks like it is for women. so no men don’t have to lower standards if they are older and have alot of things going for them.

          • PaisleyMoon

            Most men are not as vile as you, and want a woman for more than the superficial! And you do not have a lot of things going for you, you are just older! You aren’t older and wise, you aren’t older and nice, I don’t know if you have money or not, but if that is what draws a young gal to you, it is the money they want, not you! The only other young gals you could get are ones with inferiority complexes and who need a daddy, and even then you aren’t a source of stability, but a dysfunctional father! Also if you are driven by your libido, what is going to happen when you lose those abilities, which is inevitable at your age? All you will be able to do is look at her, not touch her! Do you think she will be happy in that arrangement?

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            That is incorrect. You should read about the 100’s of well-to-do below average males who went to Thailand, married a young girl, thinking the same thing as you, only to become penniless or worse, dead…thanks to the girl and her other lovers.

          • primetime2123

            Most men who go to those Asian places are usually well off guys not broke ugly losers

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Actually youre 100% incorrect. Its mostly the old ugly men who go to Asian countries such as Thailand or the Phillippines. Women are so poor there and the dollar converted to their local currency makes even lower middle class western men well-off in those places. If the men were so great, they would not have to go to Asia to be with young pretty women anyway. You need to read about expats in Thailand..google it…you will see what types of men are all over the place there. There are hundreds of youtube videos about this too…old gross male vloggers who post daily about their lives in Thailand lol

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            These men help support these women’s family..that is what they are to them. How impressive!

          • jab7168 .

            Please link to one of these orbituaries

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Are you insane? do you know how disgusting it is for a younger woman to be with an old man? I was 35 and had a date with a very intelligent 55 year old once.. I always thought it would be daring to date older. He had kept himself fit as best he could but I couldn’t even sit through the date and left early. Even the hug was forced. I never considered dating old after that. I can only imagine what it must be like for a woman in her 20s to be with an old man…hell even if he looked like George Clooney I wouldn’t want to. Scintillating conversation isn’t enough…unless you are dirt poor and need food, or have some psych issues that you need to work through, there is nothing appealing about it

          • primetime2123

            that is the best you can get you are past your prime as a woman. stop thinking that men are looking for 35+ year old women when they are not unless they are old as fuck like near 60. I guess old women would rather be with their cats than realize their dating value is near 0 when they are over 35. do you think a 40-45 year old clooney type guy would be interested in you ? serious question

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            well Clooney is with a human rights attorney who is more intelligent than he is….and he could have gone much younger, too. So intelligence must mean something, at least to some men

          • delicate_dream

            Well Clooney married a woman who was 36 at the time, albeit he was in his 50s. She is about 17 years younger, but she is also extremely educated, intelligent and successful. He didn’t marry a 20 year old bimbo. I’m sure men like him value beauty and youth, but it’s clear he wanted the whole package too.

          • primetime2123

            but like I said they had to go older. the women here are complaining they want guys their own age but men in their 30s are looking for women in their 20s not 30s.

          • JaneWilder

            really? I don’t find that to be true.

          • JaneWilder

            I dated a 39 year old when I was 64. We stayed together 3 years. The women he left before me was in her 20s at the most. He was bored with her.

          • Jane

            Its in mens nature to protect a woman so if shes poor he should care more for her than if shes rich and can care for herself

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I cant believe a womans dating value is based solely on her looks. Initially that is what attracts everyone but damn….it would be awful if that were true.

          • Roanna

            That’s only true for superficial fools, who then turn around and whine about how the woman ends up divorcing them and taking them for all their worth.

          • Jane

            Its not

          • Hector

            Honey, your eggs have dried up by now. Millions of years of evolution have programmed men to look for fertility in women, hence they prefer women around 20 – 25. A few decades of rampant feminist b.s. doesn’t change that.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            softer features? hahahaha. damn what is your IQ??

          • Jane

            Yoi do realize sophia loren became more beautiful with age??

        • Josh H

          Did you not read my comment? I specifically said it has nothing to do with fertility, just that women are most attractive (good looking) at that age. As women age past late teens/early twenties, their skin starts to wrinkle, boobs sag, vaj loosen, etc. Why do women want to look younger? Because that is seen as more attractive. Also the you not wanting “to bed” women under 25 because you view them as looking like children, is purely your opinion, and I’m pretty sure a non-prevalent one among the population..and I think you being a teacher has caused that perception. Wow!

      • primetime2123

        Youthfulness in women is a representation of femininity and fertility. That’s what men in women soft features not masculine jawlines or muscles

        • PaisleyMoon

          Women don’t want beer guts and bald heads in men, and more importantly they don’t want some ape like you. Unattractive boars are unpopular when it comes to either gender. By the way, I have my picture displayed, why don’t you. Are you ashamed of the way you look. You keep talking about how the woman has to look, yet you don’t show your face.

          • primetime2123

            lol..I am neither bald nor fat and look the same as I did 10 years ago. 99.9% of women my age are not on my level. most men look better than women their age as well

          • PaisleyMoon

            That is what you claim! If you were so great looking, you would use your picture! If you really want people to believe your lies about being decent looking, why not steal someone’s picture and use it! They do it all the time on the internet

          • primetime2123

            lol..I could care less what some random 50 year old woman on the internet thinks of me. its 100% true what I am saying. I do not care if you believe me or not.

          • PaisleyMoon

            Yes, you do care or you would not have replied! You hide what you look like, act like God made you as this wonderful being who is above all women, and then you peck through these lowly creatures to find the ones who are physically pleasing! The reality is that you are likely some little unimportant man with nothing going for him, trying to present yourself as some king who the babes flock to, and the marginal women wish that they had! I think of the movie “Shallow Hal” about an unattractive, paunchy man (played by Jack Black) who only wants the hot women, and they keep turning him down! I have a Chihuahua who doesn’t know he is a tiny, itty bitty dog, fancies himself a big vicious dog! Reminds me of you, a goofy little pathetic man who thinks the women are drooling over him and he can have whoever he wants, when in reality if a 60 year old woman wanted you, you would be jumping, and clicking your heals in gratefulness

          • PaisleyMoon

            You remind me of this blowhard my sister knew who was in his 60s and bragged about liking young women and how they all considered him a “silver fox” Later she saw him somewhere with his girlfriend and she was in her 60s also-just big, boastful talk

          • primetime2123

            lol. except I am way younger than you are. still in my 30s.

          • PaisleyMoon

            First of all, you claim you are in your 30s, again no picture, you can say anything! But even so, you act like you are 12! And you WILL be 50 some day! But even so, your personality is so odious, that you will drive women away regardless of your age! Meanwhile, I still have interest from men at my age! Plus I haven’t squandered the years, I have acquired knowledge and wisdom

          • PaisleyMoon

            If you are so young, then how are you the authority on what older men want in a woman? If you are in your 30s, who are all these younger women you are after? 15 year olds? You could get arrested

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            He uses “50 year old” as an insult. I have been reading forums about this lately. Many men are really of the opinion that women don’t value looks at ALL. It’s incredible. They think financial resources a man brings to the relationship and kindness is what is important to a woman. LOL

          • PaisleyMoon

            I have had younger men interested in me, in fact one who is 46 at my job wants to! Just because a woman is 50, doesn’t mean that she lets herself go and no guy wants her!

          • Jane

            Thats true if they are loyal respectful funny caring and kind they can be 7 out of 10 and work..

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            Dreamer, egotistical.

          • Roanna

            Right, keep dreaming.

          • JaneWilder

            you must be pretty young. Most men my age look way worse than women my age.

    • primetime2123

      They are more attractive and have more pleasant personalities. Old women are bitter and have alot of baggage

      • PaisleyMoon

        That isn’t true. I have met lots of bitchy younger women. And lots of older women are more mature and settled in their behavior.

        • diamonddame

          primetime2123 watches school girl porn and really wants to convince us teen girls are every mans fancy.. when he really was just given all of his desires from porn scenes. just come out and say u wish the age of consent was younger, dude

          • PaisleyMoon

            The thing is that young women wouldn’t want him because they don’t want an old guy, and he doesn’t have a good personality either! And women his own age don’t want him even though he is age compatible, solely because of the bad personality! So the ones he doesn’t want, don’t want him; and the ones he does want, don’t want him! Us middle aged woman are glad he stays away, and the poor young ones wish they could make him

      • XT!

        Bitterness knows no age and no sex.

    • Mom Bakuniak

      Girls are not the hotest in their 20 they are the hotest 16-18 well atleast for guys age 20-28, I don’t know about older man, but just wait if nano tech works in our life time we’ll all look like in early 20s

      • Josh H

        That’s why I said, “around 20,” and I’m specifically saying 20 as in two-zero, not twenties. Also that’s a way of suggesting a few years younger than 20 but avoiding the, “you’re a pedophile” replies, haha.

      • Jane

        No they are hottest at 40

        • Anoni Mouse

          I hadn’t laughed in ahwile, thank you.

    • the_spiral

      Yup, I think it’s just about the looks. Women just have tighter bodies and fresher faces when they’re younger (so do men actually, but they tend to hold onto their looks longer, perhaps because their skin is less delicate?) All the other traits – intellect, child raising, personality, maturity etc. – are just things that *keep* men with women past their peak beauty. So rather than chasing 20-22 yo constantly, a man may stay with a same-age partner (while still checking out younger women) because she has all the other good traits he wants in a partner. But it wasn’t those other things that drew him to her in the first place, but her beauty. Smart women have always known this and cashed out on it.

      • Josh H

        Yep, exactly

      • Roanna

        Most men don’t hold on to their looks longer than women. Women just have a wider scale of appreciation, and don’t judge men simply on their looks. Some men have a hard time understanding that and have decided that they’re still as hot in their 50s as they were in their 20s and 30s as a result.

        • Iown You

          Horse manure. Any man who has spent time on a dating site KNOWS that women hold looks higher on the scale than men do. Why else do women on these site get 100 emails a day and men are lucky to ever get a single email from a woman EVER.

          Oh, Roanna you are so out of touch with reality, smh.

          • Roanna

            Read my post again. I said men do not age any better than women do, not that women don’t care about looks at all. It’s just that women are more likely to appreciate attractive men at a wider range of ages. “Youth” doesn’t equal beauty. I also said women don’t judge men SIMPLY on their looks. Put the word “just” in there, if it makes more sense to you.

            As to the dating sites, there are simply more men participating on them than women. Also, a person can lie / talk themselves up in the description, so the picture is the primary thing someone has to judge a profile by. Whether or not a guy gets a lot of likes on a dating site doesn’t mean that he is going to get a long term relationship out of it. Once they meet there’ll be a lot more vetting going on.

          • Iown You

            I read your post just fine the first time and I’m certain of what I was replying to, specifically this part: “… and don’t judge men simply on their looks.”

            But as I’ve said, on dating sites for example women DO in fact judge men simply on their looks. You attempted defense by saying: “… a person can lie / talk themselves up in the description, so the picture is the primary thing someone has to judge a profile by.”

            That’s a nice thought, but here is the reality MEN see that YOU don’t because you don’t date heterosexual women: Women’s profiles on these dating sites almost always ask for men to “be original in your profile!”, “say more than what car you drive!”, etc, etc, etc. But this again is another example of women SAYING one thing but DOING another. You see, they SAY they want those things and a man will do them, but yet they will choose the guy who is 6’2, has movie star looks and says nothing in his profile and there have been so many experiments proving this time and time again.

            Now, I’m a guy who has gotten plenty of attention on dating sites, and what I’ve found is that most of the women there are there for validation not dating. It got to the point that I used to put in my profiles “Ladies, if you don’t intend to talk PLEASE do NOT accept my chat invite.” So one lady from another state (why women think men want long distance relationships I’ll never know) sends me a message trying to talk to me on one hand and scolding me for having “too many rules” on the other. Well, I’m sorry, but I don’t want to waste time with flakes, women who live too far away, and women with 5 baby daddies. But on dating sites, women expect men to be so desperate that we’ll just take anything.

          • JaneWilder

            I don’t judge men on their looks . Never have. I don’t even care if they have legs or arms or any of that shit. I like to be seduced by an intelligent , end emotionally seductive man.

          • Iown You

            Maybe you have to take that approach because you’re not attractive? Of course, even unattractive women have unrealistic standards so you REALLY have to be hideous, LOL!

    • JaneWilder

      and what does “hot” do for you besides make your dick stand up? Not really that difficult a task. A plastic pocket pussy will do that too?

  • lamrof

    I am 55 and yes I am attracted to women under 25 and above 18, though 18 is really fresh and mostly off-putting due to the unsettled mental attitude of women that age. 20 to 25 is the best speaking from my male instincts. I have to tell you though, its as much mental as it is physical. There are playful, carefree and sexually suggestive women of all ages. I met this 45 year old, physically fit black woman the other Month. She was natural as they come, not too much make up, her bronze colored skin healthy and silky to the touch and most of all she was so flirtatious language wise and also physically. She sucked me into her wold and swam in it. I could count 20 years back since the last time I had a hard on in a party talking to a woman.

    • Sarah

      so, are you saying that a 45 yo woman was just as enticing as a much younger woman? If so, perhaps you have a cultural broken record playing in your mind that you were able to break through to find the truth?! That women are not better in their early 20’s?
      I know that I couldn’t have been better in my 20s than I am now! And I know that many extensive list of over 100 girl friends were also not better in their 20’s.!!! When men say women in their 20’s are better, we’re like”WTF”!!!!. Not only are we better dressed, better taken care of, hotter in so many ways, but we know ourselves and especially know what we want sexually PAST our 20’s. Are you going to be one of those pathetic older men who let go of women your own age with the fallacy that 20 somethings are better? These women you let go of will adapt and adjust and find that there there are all kinds of lovely men of all ages and from all cultures that appreciate them. Would you really like to find that your wife of 30 years whom you left for your 26 year old secretary is seriously dating a sexy Spanish man who is only 3 years younger than her but 10 years younger than you?!? Not only that, but he’s willing to making lunches for your kids and drive them to school twice a week! He does not have the same hang ups as you and thank fully. you are usurped as you deserve. I equate dating much much younger with watching cartoons that are no longer entertaining.

      • lamrof

        all age Men attracted to women in their 20s and Women in their 20’s attracted to men much older than them is as natural and as true as the Sun will rise tomorrow. Men produce sperm well into their 70’s, women become infertile starting around age 40. If we cut the top layers of intellectual BS and find the all controlling primal selves of ours we find the truth. Men are drawn to fertility, Women are drawn to survival and it all has to do with replication.

        If you ask me, all women under 50 can be sexually attractive. Just go look the popularity of MILF porn, except that there are not as many sexually attractive women in their late 30s and 40s as there are Women in their 20s.

        My ex is my age, I look at her now I feel like she is my Mother. There is no way I will have sex with her. I am highly sexually active and Just as I was in my teens I find young women attractive.

        • Sarah

          You sound like the biology class broken record I already know so well, have heard and still find as a ridiculous explanation. Past the age of menopause, women still have more sex than men who can still ejaculate. It’s irrelevant that women cannot have children past menopause. You write as if women stop having sex well into their 70’s. As usual, women still have the say whether the couple if having sex that day.
          I’m so sorry you got with a women who you feel is like your mother. If you really psychoanalyse, you will find that you always thought of her that way, it’s just that eventually you REALIZED it.

          I feel sorry for you that you cannot find women your own age attractive. I think you’ve got a mental block about it. In fact, there are probably ladies that turn your head daily and you don’t realize they are older than 50. I’m not sure you got the memo, but women have a lot of resources these days to keep themselves healthier (ie younger). Women are only going to keep staying beautiful into older age and men need to keep up.

          One of the most beautiful women I know is over 50. She’s the daughter of the other most gorgeous woman I’ve ever seen who is 70 something. Not that looks are the main thing. I’m in my 30s and am pretty plain but my 5 years-younger than me bf is super hot and he finds me very attractive so he reminds me constantly.

          Perhaps men are biologically most attracted to younger women and have a difficult time changing this? Humans are also biologically attracted to sugar yet cutting sugar seems to work out really well for many people. Things to consider?

          • lamrof

            Sarah, men wanting fertile (younger) women is not cultural at all. Why are you implying it can be changed? Men need to keep up? Men don’t need a nudge to keep up so they should get attracted to older women.

            The only effective modern solution that lengthened the sexual vitality of millions of human beings is the discovery of pills that corrected erectile dysfunction. The rest of the stuff is all disastrous.

            You sound like a feminist to me, don’t make this a female oppression issue.

          • primetime2123

            Lol women lose interest in sex after menopause its scientifically proven. Most women let themselves go at that point anyways so its a moot point.

        • primetime2123

          milf porn is probably watched mostly by young dudes. I seriously doubt that older men prefer milf porn

        • bmiller107

          Right but women hit their sexual prime in their 40s and men in their 20s which makes a perfect case for older women/younger men. Not so much for men in their dotage chasing after young females although Viagra may aid that.

          • lamrof

            Women hit their sexual prime in their 30s. Women hit menopause in their 40s not their sexual prime. In addition Men hit their sexual prime in their teens say around 16 and then progressively fall into their normal selves. In any case its not to say older women are not sexual or don’t feel sex, in fact its to the contrary. We are not discussing that point though. We are discussing Men being attracted to much younger women say 20-25 year olds instead of women close their age. Sarah sadly is trying to make it a cultural issue, or a female oppression issue by men, which is incorrect.

            Modern medicine has absolutely solved age induced erectile dysfunction in men. The personal and social impact is in fact, I will say is even bigger than the internet itself.

            I want older women to be happy, more power to you all. Just don’t come and impede mine.

          • bmiller107

            And modern medicine in the form of plastic surgery has evened the score for women 🙂

          • lamrof

            Plastic surgery to the most part is a disaster, in my view

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            not if you look at facial fat grafting. they are really doing a lot, now. I am not saying its the same as a young person of course..but it can be pretty impressive.

          • bmiller107

            Well I don’t know what’s happened to me but I’ve been bodybuilding and seem to have gone back to my sexual prime 🙂 I don’t know if it’s increased testosterone levels or just more confidence in the shape I’m in. If you’re an older guy and can find younger women that will go out with you, I don’t have a problem with it. To each his own.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Its common knowledge that women reach their sexual peak in their mid to late 40s. Look it up. Its the body’s last ditch attempt to procreate before menopause

          • Gr8 1

            Which is ironic. They hit their sexual peak when men don’t want em anymore. Mother Nature be cruel.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Not all men are that way. I am 46 and get hit on all the time…but of course, probably not as much as when I was younger. I have also not let myself go.

          • Gr8 1

            Getting hit on doesn’t mean anything. Most guys especially the younger ones would see women your age as easy lays. They’ll fuck you but they won’t commit to you. It’s good you haven’t let yourself go btw. I’m sure I’d f*%# you too lol 😉

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I don’t mean I get hit on in that way or by young guys. I mean I have opportunities with serious-minded, age appropriate men. I do not have casual sex and never did. I have been ill and I almost died so am lucky to be alive. I have been celibate for 13 yrs

        • Brandi Nicole

          Men’s fertility starts to decline after 40 too their sperm looses quality The risk of miscarriage is twice as high for women whose male partner is aged over 45 than for those whose partners are under 25.

          • lamrof

            Fertility decline doesn’t mute the point that Men in their 70s can impregnate younger women (although rare in the west, it is more prevalent in the 3rd world.) You don’t think Trump can seed his wife if he wanted to?

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            But why isnt the knowledge that you are paying for your sex partner, a turn off? Isnt that what a loser would do? I mean…if the age difference is THAT much (over 15 years) and the man does not look at least semi attractive, there is no actual love on the part of the woman….at least not usually. The woman is tolerating the sex for financial security. I am Asian and have seen this over and over; the woman is not happy…she feels a prisoner but has no choice. While I do agree that some age gap is perfectly fine between women and men, you are not accurately representing the reality of how it is for a female….but it is possible you dont care about that part, I dont know.

          • Paul Abel

            Aperson – I think you are generalizing. I am dating an Asian woman twenty years younger than me, (I’m 48, she is 28. She has always been attracted to older men. She makes slightly more money than I do, so I can promise you it is not about the money. There is real love between us and because I have a young heart and she is mature for her age, we mesh very nicely. I am flattered that a woman that much younger finds me attractive but the fact is, our age difference is much more of an issue for other people than it is for us. It is kind of pathetic if you ask me. Why do people care so much? I think it kind of fits into the same kind of narrow minded thinking that causes people to judge others for their race or gender. People are always trying to make separations between one group or another, whether it is age, skin color, sexual orientation, etc. Time to grow up, people!

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I think people are just concerned about the woman is all. As you age, her life will become more and more limited if she stays with you. That is the reality of the situation. Why is that not a concern for you, if you care for her?

          • Paul Abel

            Jeez! You would think I am 40 years older the way you talk. I am in very good shape. I just came in to cool off from replacing my roof. It is 98 degrees up there in full sun and I am strong as ever. People in my family tend to live well into their 90s and my parents are in their mid 80s and still doing quite well. You really do have a narrow mind – Aperson. I think you are overlooking some very important things. I have been around the block a few times. I have learned where I have made mistakes in relationships and have made adjustments. I have years of life experience that I can share with my woman and that will help us avoid some pitfalls. I am stable in my life and truly know who I am. Not many twenty somethings can say any of that. I offer quality and perhaps as much quantity as any average male as it come to longevity. It is funny that you women don’t want to be judged for your deteriorating looks but you are very willing to judge me for dating a women 20 years younger than me.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Well, if that’s the case and if you are willing to have children well into your 50s if she wants them, then more power to you. Just out of curiosity, how do you think you will handle it if you are 68 and as you tell it, still virile, and the woman is 48 and looks old?

          • Paul Abel

            She has one child and does not want more, so no issue there. Regarding her looks changing over time, I am not concerned about that. In your example, I will be 68 and she will be 48. Even if I wanted to, I would not be able to get a woman in her 30’s at that point. You want to know the main reason I like her, Aperson? It is because she is not the typical bitchy, entitled, disagreeable American woman. I have had enough of them. The main lesson for women like yourself to learn, Aperson, is that men have no use for you if you are a pain in the ass to be with. Offer inner beauty, sacrifice, kindness, true partnership, and then you will begin to be on the right track. I am certainly not the first person to make this comment on here. I wonder if the women reading in this forum will listen or if it will just fall on deaf entitled ears who then wonder why us men are choosing younger, less indoctrinated women to spend our lives with…

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I am already like that maybe cuz I am Asian. and getting a man is not a concern…but I admit, I do sometimes think…will I ever be enough? will the ideal always be a girl in her 20s, no matter what I do? I realize this might be silly paranoia since women also have their ideals and fantasies…but I guess it bothers me anyway lol.
            If, when you are 68 and do have the chance to be with a nice and kind 20-something, will you likely leave the Asian woman?

          • Paul Abel

            Hi Aperson. If you are like what I described you should have not trouble getting and keeping a good man. Just be selective and make sure he appreciates your Asian temperament and other fine attributes that make you a good partner. Listen to what is important to him and encourage him to do the same for you and you will find a good relationship. I guess I should restate that. Make sure that he does treat you well also and that it is his nature to do so. Anyone can pretend to be something they are not and unfortunately they can do it for quite some time. Make sure it is his natural state to be loving and a good partner. Regarding would I leave her if I had the chance with a younger woman. The answer is no! We would have had many great years together at that point and I am very loyal and appreciate of good treatment and have searched a long time to find a true partner. She just might be that. More time will tell… I wish you good luck with your future relationships, Asian lady! Have a good night!!

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Thanks, Paul. More questions: was it just by chance that you met this woman and she happened to be much younger than you? Did you have chances to get to know women who were older and may have been nice too and attractive but reject them because they were not young enough? You say now that you really like her for her personality but how much of your attraction had to do with her being young? And if looks mean that much to most men, what happens if the nice woman becomes ill or has to get her leg amputated or is in a car accident and becomes deformed? Is love really that fleeting?

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            wif i just wrote a bunch of questions but they disappeared

          • Paul Abel

            Hmmmm. I had that happen to me on here once too. I will answer anything you want to ask if you care to type the questions again. I did get a couple of messages from you. You were asking about the looks question. I think it is important for both men and women to try and look their best for their partner. Looks do matter. Physical attraction does matter. There is no getting around that. But! When a person really gets to know the kind heart of the person they are with, the outward appearance matters less and less. I would not worry about needing to compete with younger women if that is something that bothers you. Just be absolutely beautiful on the inside and you will outshine most all women in the United States. You will not have much competition. You will be a diamond ring in a sea of costume jewelry…

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            that is a beautiful sentiment, Paul, but you are with a woman 20 yrs younger lol

          • Paul Abel

            Ummm…

          • primetime2123

            You don’t care about the younger woman. You are just jealous of them.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            There is also more likelihood that the child will have developmental issues.

          • primetime2123

            That’s more because the woman’s eggs have severely deteriorated due to age. Older men tend to reproduce with old women cause most men are average and below and dont have many options.

        • Aperson Inscarborough

          Did she bear your children?

        • Aperson Inscarborough

          It is not correc that women in their 20s are attracted to “much older”. Older, OK, not much older. This happens only when there are psychological issues or a lot of money at play. Keep in mind that although women can overlook more in the looks dept than men, it is still within reason. Not one friend I had in my early 20s wanted “much older”.

    • Aperson Inscarborough

      I do understand the need for playfulness. I can’t really fault anyone for that.

  • Stephen Crowe

    Yeah so in other words these people are shocked that males naturally want to act as males.

    • Sarah

      yep, where’s my shotgun?
      Naturally males would also throw their shit all over and rape, pillage & kill people whenever they got angry. As a modern human do you not confine many, many so-called natural inclinations? Why not this? Like eating too much sugar, it’s not ideal in modern life anymore. Our biology is catching up and we need to help it by not indulging in things we know aren’t helping our values/health, etc.

  • Friendofyourmom

    Guys like younger girls because younger girls are more easily impressed by them and it makes them feel good and they don’t have to face their short comings. They won’t be as sexually experienced, so guys don’t have to worry about that. It is a power thing. For some, it could be about youth being more attractive, but that really doesn’t apply much as the girls they date who are younger tend to not be that attractive. Most women who are attractive AND very young, are dating equally attractive men or men with money. I’m generalizing a lot like this article. The ideal woman would probably be in her 30s, not stupid but not bitter and obviously beautiful would be nice. I would rather date a woman who was really hot than really young. I’ve seen plenty of 20 year old girls with terrible bodies or ugly faces. In an ideal world, men think dating a younger women implies that she’s young and hot but in reality, the girl is usually just young and not that attractive. I have my friends’ experiences as proof. They’d say “yeah she’s 23 man” and be all bragging, and then I’d see the girl and think “but she’s ugly”.

    • Crayven

      Beauty is in the eye of the beholder…

    • Aperson Inscarborough

      You make a lot of sense. A doctor I know was bragging recently about having bedded a student on campus. He later admitted, as the conversation progressed, that she was “pretty plain looking, but nice”. (He is not a wealthy doctor but a middle aged, quite attractive but not highly paid, academic researcher).

    • Aperson Inscarborough

      Things are diffferent in Asia, which is why many men go there. There are many pretty-ish girls who are poor or who have been abandonned with children…so the old men get lucky there. Well, at least for a time.

    • primetime2123

      The problem with that is women 30+ have lost their power over men. Why do men care about impressing older women when older women aren’t viewed as the prize anymore ? So to say that older women are harder to impress is laughable because men could care less about impressing them. Men don’t view older women as a prize anymore and are not worthy of any impressing. Older women should be impressing men not the other way around

  • Lee Allen

    I have noticed that over 50% of the women that graduated high school with me are divorced with children. These women ages are around 40-50. It has been my experience that when females are in their 20’s they have are highly sought after but after their mid 30’s there isn’t as much competition for them.

  • TruthSeeker

    You say “grow up”, after I read something that looks like a four year temper tantrum. Damn, you’re very damaged…

  • Brian Kerr

    We don’t even want women any more for anything, even sex. MGTOW

    • Edith D Thurman

      You sound as cynical as me. Not all men are like this, and not all women are gold diggers. Have faith.

  • Jim Johnson

    Ironically, in their quest for independence and “strength”, the feminists have thrown away any redeeming sexually marketable skills (nurturing, caring, homemaking, child rearing) sought after by men. All that is left is looks. Once those are gone, the only ones that want you are the cats.

    • Sarah

      In our modern world, I think that if you take care of yourself, learn to nurture, care, homemake and perhaps interact with children often, you are qualified to be with a great woman who might be the one to bring home the bacon. Why does it scare men that women can have power? I still cuddle up in my man’s big arms and cry on his chest when I’m sad. I ask him for help and advice all the time. I know that if we had a kid (it would be my 2nd) he’d be the stay-at-home dad because that sounds more fun for him and I’d be sick at the idea of being needed 24/7 and that not considered a real job by some man. Looks are not all that’s left. Men can take on other roles, other identities just as women have. Women have changed and adapted. Men are still relatively stuck. I feel that men need help. Taking on roles traditionally held by women is considered emasculating but they can be empowering. Women can help.

      • Jim Johnson

        Like I said…….thrown away any redeeming skills.

    • PaisleyMoon

      Most women are not feminists, and are nurturing! Women have intelligence in addition to looks, and I think you are generalizing

      • Jim Johnson

        Note the word “feminists” and not “women”. Intelligence is not a sexually marketable skill (hence not included in my remark) there are lots of intelligent women out there. But, it is being directed in the wrong way. We don’t care about you having a phd in sociology. All that means to most men is you spent more time avoiding responsibility and being indoctrinated in college.

        When we come home, we want dinner made, the house clean, and the kids taken care of. We don’t want a discussion on the scientific method.

        • PaisleyMoon

          I don’t know what you mean about intelligence not being a sexually marketable skill! Decent women don’t go into a market to exploit themselves sexually! However, many men do find intelligence in a woman sexy!

          You need to speak for yourself! You say: “We don’t care about you having a phd in sociology” Some men do, and in fact many want the woman to have a job outside of the house!

          • Jim Johnson

            It isn’t…..in all seriousness. Not saying most guys go for the dumb blonde stereotype for relationships, but the college eggheads are not attractive. There are plenty of college egghead women out there (60% female students) What being overeducated shows is a toxic independence that guys find questionable if they are going to risk half their assets (near 50% chance of divorce, 70% of those initiated by women where wealth and child custody overwhelmingly go to the woman). Guys are looking at those numbers and shy away from any serious commitment.

            Couple that with the feminist “I don’t need a man” attitude that is systemic throughout society brought into relationships, along with the excessive promiscuity, and there is little for a guy to gain through marriage.

            As a woman, you need to do what you can to ensure those doubts are minimized in the minds to those you want to form a relationship with. Stellar morality is #1, followed by traditional values (love of children, charity, faith…etc.) If you sleep with the guy on the third date, he will write you off, because if you are that easy now, who is to say you won’t do the same with someone in the future?

            Best of luck to you.

          • PaisleyMoon

            I don’t sleep with anyone on the third date, I am divorced and don’t sleep with anyone period! I believe sexual activity should be reserved for marriage, as I believe in Jehovah God and live a moral life!

            In my religion, men and women rarely go to college beyond getting an associate degree because their pursuits are not material wealth! They are more concerned with preaching the message of the Bible world wide (Matt 24:14)

            As far as other people are concerned, many men like a woman who is educated and they like to have a two income family! I think it is fine if a man earns enough and the woman can stay home with the kids, but some need to work, and many men want them to

            I am not saying your ideas are wrong, but they are not as common as you think! You think that all men think like you

          • PaisleyMoon

            By the way, you say if I sleep with a guy on the third date he will write me off! If I slept with a guy on the third date, or before marriage, he would be as much as an immoral skank as I was! You act like he is the one who would reject me! I would reject him for being sexually promiscuous and easy! You make it sound like men are the ones who do all the picking, and their ideals are what matter

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            We don’t obsess over “getting” a man. As we get older men’s sexuality lessens and more of us are divorcing because taking care of adult men children is boring and we look for what we want.

          • Iown You

            If the man is paying the bills (and in marriages they almost always are), then you’re not “taking care” of anything but a bare minimum of house chores. If you can’t even do that, you’ll just keep losing every man you encounter while thumping your chest about how “empowered” you are.

            No matter how much femnazi indoctrination you’ve gotten (and I can see you’ve gotten plenty), keep fooling yourself that men want a female-male hybrid sleeping next to them. We don’t, and when you don’t act like a woman you wind up alone in the end, and it’s been proven that men do far better alone than women, financially, socially, and mental-health wise.

          • Roanna

            “If the man is paying the bills”. Right, sure, like that’s the average household these days. More women are getting degrees than men and in most families both spouses work.

            Families that have kids, if one parent stays home and takes on the primary parenting responsibility as well as household chores, it would be nice if their spouse actually respected those activities as work, equal to their own. Or perhaps some people are like you and they don’t think their kids or home are as important as their “job” because it makes $$$. That’s a problem, yeah. Your problem, and the kind that leads to divorce.

          • Iown You

            More women are getting degrees because of increased programs and systems put in place to increase female college enrollments. It’s not happening because suddenly men have lost ambition and women are now suddenly more ambitious, this is an artificial boom created after years of feminist lobbying and ear twisting of cuck men in Government willing to capitulate.

            This is a big mistake and it’s leading women who actually want to have a family someday to the edge of a cliff and point of no return, and to a place of unhappiness. By the time a woman does all of the schooling and career stuff she is in her 30’s and I know you hate to hear it but by then women are less desirable to men as men will always seek a younger version of what they find attractive and it’s all tied into biological mating instincts. It amazes me to read articles, blogs and forums with women crying about how they’ve accomplished all this stuff and they’re now 35, they desperately want to have a child and start a family but men don’t want to date them. It amazes and saddens me that nobody told these women what the consequences of their decisions would lead them to. Feminism is selling women fool’s gold.

            Both spouses don’t work in all families. But in those that do, it’s simply because of the cost of living. Still, men do still pay the majority of the bills. Men also make more money and it’s not because of the gender wage gap myth (debunked by a FEMALE Scholar named Claudia Goldin, btw). It’s because men pursue careers that pay more than women generally go after, and in addition to that men work more days and more hours than women and College enrollment stats and labor statistics prove these points respectively.

            As long as women continue to only pursue in the single (and less than single) digits careers in engineering, computer science, oil drilling, deep sea drilling, lumberjacking/industrial forestry and other high-paying high risk careers, the so-called “gap” will remain forever, and it’s unfortunate to know feminists will have a false narrative to bitch about indefinitely, smh.

            >>>>Or perhaps some people are like you and they don’t think their kids or home are as important as their “job” because it makes $$$. That’s a problem, yeah. Your problem, and the kind that leads to divorce.<<<<

            Let me cut you right there: you don't know me to say "people like you". Don't do that.

            To correct you, I think household-running is a job and an important one that most western women today do not even have the skills to do. And I don't even blame women entirely, after all it's not hard to understand how they would be devoid of said skills with mass media and feminist organizations constantly telling them that doing household work is oppression of the patriarchy, smh. These organizations have literally raised a generation of women that don't have the skills to be wives and mothers. Look at how our society is crumbling (from the home and outward) as a result of this, but God forbid men say anything about it!

          • JaneWilder

            Women should protect themselves from this enslavement to men who can then leave them with squat when they get old and the dick only wants a 20 something. Women, if you want an education get it, otherwise get a great prenup

          • Iown You

            Gee, I thought women were so “independent” and “empowered”, and yet here you are putting women in a light of total incapability and then topping it off encouraging prenups which is strange since any man with money doing a prenup is going to have his lawyers slant it in his favor. You’re not connecting with reality.

          • Roanna

            Sorry to break it to you, but women don’t get preferential treatment when it comes to enrollment in colleges. Women more likely to be encouraged to get degrees, by parents and society, rather than held back these days, but that’s the only difference.

            Women aren’t stupid. We know the “consequences” of waiting to have kids later in life, or choosing not to have kids at all. Those of us who are smart aren’t going to settle for some yahoo who only likes young, uneducated women without career experience. What do you think happens when those young women get in their 30s+ and that guy decides to look for a younger model? Then they are left, often as single Moms, without the education or work experience necessary to take care of their family.

            And you wonder why gold diggers are usually so young? They’ve decided that if they’re not going to focus on being able to take care of themselves (education and job) that they’re going to need enough money to play for any future eventuality.

          • Iown You

            >>>and the next you claim “housework is a job”. So, what was that “job” worth to the relationship when it ends? I guess in your mind, it’s not worth as much as working outside the home, and you wonder why women aren’t interested in your “traditional family” model anymore.<<>>Women aren’t stupid. We know the “consequences” of waiting to have kids later in life, or choosing not to have kids at all. <<>>Those of us who are smart aren’t going to settle for some yahoo who only likes young, uneducated women without career experience. <<>> What do you think happens when those young women get in their 30s+ and that guy decides to look for a younger model? Then they are left, often as single Moms, without the education or work experience necessary to take care of their family.<<>>And you wonder why gold diggers are usually so young? They’ve decided that if they’re not going to focus on being able to take care of themselves (education and job) that they’re going to need enough money to play for any future eventuality.<<<

            Noooooooo. They're so young because men are not going to put up with the BS that would come with dating and sugar daddying a washed up over the hill woman. This makes no sense to a man in that position. Again, men want youth, beauty, and femininity, not age, fading looks, and bitterness with a side of feminist indoctrinated pseudo-masculinity.

          • JaneWilder

            yes.
            Finally time for what we want for ourselves. Doesn’t mean being selfish, but including oneself in who we care for.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Where on earth are you finding these egghead independent women?? Eggheads typically are NOT independant but have lower self esteem. And women bond with sex…they have a built in anti-promiscuous safeguard. They release a lot of oxytocin during sex. Where are you finding all these promiscuous women?? And every woman I know wants all that family stuff. This makes no sense. Its like you have no experience with real women and have been reading MGTOW stuff…

            I am Asian and where my parents are from, many women are expected now to work and contribute to the family income but sadly, men still want all the housework done, kids taken care of, and dinner made. The woman now has to do both jobs!

          • Roanna

            I guess I’d qualify as a well employed independent egghead. I don’t have any self esteem issues. We’re not all that rare. No more rare than men who are confident enough in themselves, that they don’t need a woman to stroke their ego all the time, in order to be able to appreciate them.

          • JaneWilder

            sad but true

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I don’t see how intelligence and independence are related. I went to University but am far from being independent I think. I have met many uneducated women who are promiscuous, too.

            The idea that simple minded people will be more traditional is false.

          • Jim Johnson

            I should have reworded my statement a bit. I’m not saying intelligence is repulsive to men, it just isn’t the highest priority. A woman with a bachelor s degree is one thing, but beyond that, I think they have priorities out of whack

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            A woman may actually want what you want deep down….but they have no choice. A woman has to do things to ensure her own future and be able to stand on her own 2 feet because we have all heard the stories of what happens when the man holds all the cards. Women will often end up in poverty, raising children on their own or trapped in an abusive marriage from which they cannot leave because they have no other options. Men who want their women unable to survive well without them, want to hold all the cards and oppress women. I believe that is the crux of the problem. I understand that the image of a woman as only a nurturer and sexual object might be the most appealing to many or most men, but women do not have the luxury of being just that.

          • delicate_dream

            I don’t think it’s a luxury to be an object of any kind. Certainly the nurturing job of being a mother and homemaker is noble, but it’s usually not necessary to do full time once the kids are past a certain age. Education in itself is a life enrichment also. Why begrudge that to someone? And who wants half a person as a partner either? That is a sign of insecurity and someone who can’t handle real intimacy with another whole human. Boiling your desires partner down to a set of skills and services is not viewing them as a full human. The “luxury” of being seen and appreciated as a whole human is what healthy women want. It’s not “competing” with men to note you’re a whole human also and don’t merely exist as an accessory to his goals and desires. Men don’t want to just be wallets, sperm donors or jar openers either. What a novel concept – to be loved and appreciated for who you are as a whole person!

          • TheMagician

            Right off the bat…”oppress women”…give me a break.

          • Jane Andrews

            Better pray you never need the skills of a female brain surgeon or lawyer.

          • Jim Johnson

            What does that have to do with it? I have a cousin who went to med school, became a doctor. I respect what she did, she made a very comfortable living for herself, except the part of never having a family. We all make our choices in life, with those choices comes consequences

          • JaneWilder

            I have friends who are doctors , wives and mothers!! What a concept?

          • JaneWilder

            speak only for yourself–not “men” we are all individuals. Some men on here have clearly stated that intelligence is one of their highest priorities and that the lack is a deal breaker just like other things related to age or looks. Many women are doctors. They need more than a bachelor’s degree. Lawyers too, engineers, social workers. Why are these gender linked to you Jim?
            Do you not believe women doctors say, are a good thing?

          • Tre”NoLove”Holliday

            You are only looking for power in a relationship, that is unhealthy and likely to end in divorce
            For every year difference between a man and women the more likely they are to divorce, yep just one year,
            Also I have reason to believe you are a shorter man,
            Shorter men are more likely to try to find uneducated-younger women. Given your description I have reason to believe that you are threatened by a woman! Lol
            The fact is that your perceptions of reality do not reign supreme,
            You are powerless and try to act higher than everyone else. I’m sure a young women would love you sarc mark.

          • Tre”NoLove”Holliday

            To many men believe that it’s all about what a women can do for them,
            We are not gods gift, we are lucky to have friends, they don’t owe us anything.
            I wouldn’t want to be your friend and I fought in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan. Yes we are real men and we don’t act entitled to a damn thing. I worked with the roughest fighters and government leaders, they all have a thing in common, they see the world based in reality and they don’t have short man syndrome

          • Mark

            You do realise you’re preaching in the wrong church don’t you? Your rambling isnt gona change anyones position on this. Young hot and chaste trumps older and used….but im happy you got it off your chest…id hate to see you go on a shooting spree.

          • JaneWilder

            I was married to a man and had two children with him, saw him through 2 kidney transplants, for 40 years. Finally I wanted a little life for myself, he wasn’t there for me and divorced me. He asked for lifetime spousal support and wanted me to pay for his lawyer. But he hadn’t done his homework. Filed in a state where my assets were mine and not marital assets. He was so sure he was going to destroy me. I am financially pretty bad off, but I am very happy, dating nice guys, having fun, living in my own place, hanging out with my grand kids and skiing almost every day. I am a writer and a performer and at 67 I am doing better than ever. I only got sort of screwed because I homeschooled 6 kids. That meant since I was older than my husband I get only a part of his social security and am penalized by medicare forever. But it is worth it to be yes, A FREE WOMAN with as much male attention as I want.

          • kell490

            I would agree as a man it’s really attractive to actually find a woman who is intelligent. I have been with the opposite and can hardly hold a conversation. My wife and I have to only say a few words and she is quick enough to get what I’m saying without saying it. I have to be honest also I would not date a woman who wasn’t physically attractive if I were single still. Example I had a girl in a class when I was in college she was very intelligent but about 150 lbs overweight. We used to talk a lot but I no physical attraction to her she one day asked why I never asked her out I had to try break it to her easy just wanted to be friends well that didn’t go over well she dropped the class and never saw her again.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            This is what I have found confusing though it is becoming less so…the idea that men seem happy with foreign women who, not only are much younger and at different stages of their lives, but also do not speak a word of English. So smiling and doing nice things foreachother and good sex is enough? Actually typing it out here it doesnt sound that bad haha

          • JaneWilder

            weight is still the big (sorry for the pun) issue. For me as 67 year old woman who used to be fat, I have to say that for the most part now I would only consider a fat man for a partner if he committed to getting fit. It isn’t about looks for me but movement , energy and sex. I want to do sports and outdoorsy stuff with someone, play with grandkids on the floor and not be crushed by sex.

          • primetime2123

            your SMV is in the negatives. you got to pay men to have sex with you. you can’t be choosy.

        • Forge Pham

          I don’t know about what other men want, but I know what I want. As a active duty officer with a doctorate degree, I want a women who is the whole package: intelligent, attractive, kind, independent

          Studies show that they more educated both partners are, the risk of divorce decreases.

          Initially good looks will get my attention, but I’ve broken up with women if they are dumb or immature.

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            You are stable, emotionally well and intelligent which is not what men children are.

          • Iown You

            When you take a look at the high rate with which women are on mental meds, it can be said that most women are not stable or emotionally well. But nevermind those facts, let’s just always attack men…

          • JaneWilder

            Did it ever cross your mind that woman on mental meds are trying to make the best of bad situations for the sake of others, including minor children? Of course not , you would rather blame cats.

          • Iown You

            That post is totally non-sequitur, and the connection to cats is nonsense. Are you abusing opiates by any chance?

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            What about youth? Would it be so awful to be with such a woman close to your own age or do you specifically look for younger women?

          • delicate_dream

            Because you are clearly intelligent. And you probably don’t see a relationship as an exchange of goods and service, but an intimate connection. Many men may not care about intelligence or education because they aren’t intelligent or educated. “Water seeks its own level”. Anyhow, who wants stupid kids? She will be passing her genes too….

          • Iown You

            You’re so naive, kid. If you’re a man, wait until divorce court (which is inevitable given the awful marriage success stats). Then you’ll learn whether or not your marriage was an exchange of goods and services or an intimate connection.

          • JaneWilder

            you are one bitter motherfucker dude
            Sad for you.

          • Iown You

            Nope, not bitter at all since I’ve never been divorced. I expect male shaming language from you though, it’s all you have. Just understand it’s a wasted effort since it has no effect on me.

          • M. Valentine

            And that is exactly the kind of woman that a woman should be, in fact, that is the kind of thing a human being of either gender should be.

          • Roanna

            Forge Pham is an example of a real man in this thread. Jim Johnson is an antique, and not the kind that’s aging well.

          • JaneWilder

            Exactly. Bravo. Sexuality isn’t just visual except for idiots. And what woman really wants an idiot?

        • Linda Jo Quinn

          So get your big boy panty’s on and simply learn to do it and help when we get home from work.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Thats not whats happening. Men are going over to Asia and getting women from there – very young women who are so poor, they will take anything of any age.

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            …and these gals are wise and leave these men once settled in the US if their is no love, just as my Korean best friend did. A few will remain married if the husband is wealthy enough to send money to support her family if greater than she could.

          • Jane

            Yes i know a white guy he fell for an asian girl had a baby then she brought her family over after getting lots of money from him and dumped him. She said i thought because you have blue eyes you are rich! I had to tell him she used you. He could not figure that out….

        • Aperson Inscarborough

          You sound like a very immature man…but sadly, I do believe most men are this way.

          • jab7168 .

            Then why associate with them? Problem solved…..

          • Iown You

            But it’s mature to generalize an entire gender? Women do a great job of contradicting their own concepts. Hilarious.

          • Roanna

            You’re hilarious, considering you and Jim and etc. have been generalizing and stereotyping women throughout this entire chat thread.

          • Iown You

            I don’t know what Jim is doing so I can only speak for myself. Supposing I agreed with you, you’ve still done plenty of your own so that would make us even.

          • Jane

            In china men have to marry an older woman at least 7 years older

        • Kay

          Marrying and having children with an intelligent women doubles the chances that your children will also be extremely intelligent. Studies have said that it even appears that Children tend to have inherited most of their natural intelligence from their mothers, not to say the fathers genes don’t contribute, they certainly do. However, having children with a woman with assumed below average intelligence increases the odds your offspring will also be below average in intelligence. So intelligence is actually quite sexually appealing along with various other attractive traits she may also have.

          • Jim Johnson

            You must be brilliant to know what I want better than I do. Your intelligence is mesmerizing. I love you.

          • Mark

            Im not going to try debate whether or not what you say is true regarding a “study” but general food for thought be careful when quoting studies, the term ‘study suggests’ or ‘research suggests’ is quite a handy marketing ploy to dupe people into buying something or worse invade their subconcious…If I decided sell “super foods” id dribble ” a study suggest that x well marketed tea/indian root/ berry etce will reverse aging” id be a very rich man thanks to silly consumers, theres a reason why 70% of a mall is geared towards females. Also Intelligence is an abstract concept in that it is defined by a number, an IQ of 140 or a PHD doesnt mean much if the person is complete dickhead, I know a few highly educated “intelligent” people who are financially retarded & social morons. I also know two “Intelligent” couples who had “Intelligent” daughters who wound up on the meth pipe & selling themselves to pay for it… Just cos your kid can play the violin, speak 3 languages & is math whiz doesnt mean they cant end up a bottom feeder.
            & as Jim said “intelligence” is not sexually marketable, its just nice to have, bit like having a father that owns a pub but we still priortise youth, fertility, character & not being a self absorbed harpy over “Intelligence” & lets face it, Intelligence is only sexy in a man cos it more than likely means he has a good job ie money/resources & has reasonable grammer to keep the grammer nazis happy

          • Jane

            My dad was a lawyer and mum only went to college 10 months they had an amazing love relationship so that does not ring true. Alot of mums friends only had high school and married doctors lawyers etc but mum was gorgeous too.

          • Mark

            Im not sure I understand what you are trying to say reference to an earlier post? but il take your word for it & its great that they had a wonderful relationship, I hope it continues for years to come.

        • M. Valentine

          So, after reading your comment here, if I am understanding you correctly, you want a compliant, uneducated woman whose soul reason for existing is to be prepared to fulfill your every desire and fantasy at all times. She must not have opinions of her own that are contrary to yours, and she must make no emotional or psychological demands on you beyond the bare essentials. She must be there to fill your life with endless joy without being concerned for her own needs or intellectual process.

          How horrifying.

          • JaneWilder

            seems to fit the bill

        • JaneWilder

          intelligence is a totally marketable skill sexually. Please. What do you think seduction is? Mammary glands?

          • Jim Johnson

            Try reading

      • primetime2123

        Too bad intelligence does nothing for men. If you don’t have homemaking skills or cant rear healthy children what do women offer men ?

        • PaisleyMoon

          Nobody wants to offer you anything, because they don’t want you! You repel them with your attitudes

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            Exactly. If men want a maid and someone to take care and baby them they should hire a nanny to do so. Women unfortunately may just be a jet pilot or a doctor, a nurse.. and a tad preoccupied. Shame some are simply overwhelmed by females that have skills that often rival their own. Women want attention as do men. Some of the opposite gender may need a constant ego stroke if they are not fully male is what this is about. They are floundering and simply refusing to evolve while kicking and screaming in a tantrum. Sigh

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            But how can men change all that? Men have certain traits that are tied to their testosterone levels and whatnot. Without those traits, we would not even be attracted to them.

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            Not to worry as testosterone levels slowly decrease then plummet with aging. Thus why the evolution of Erectile Dysfunction prescriptions or as they are preferred to be called, E.D. meds. With the union of the increase in the life span of males, they entered onto the market ultra pronto, with some side effects and dangers of not too much consideration. It has also come to light after years (?) of further research study that estrogen is NOT dangerous to the average postmenopausal female as my doctor has always attested to. Unfortunately, most women are still traumatized by the faulty reports. My doctor has always stated that a healthy female body loves and thrives on estrogen. Truth and ut oh boys.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I also was not aware that estrogen was OK to take.
            But men can just take testosterone and ED meds have been on the market for a long time now….they must be safe.
            Plus, even though men die earlier, people say that they usually look 5 yrs younger than females of the same age due to testosterone thickening the skin or something.
            But then women can do facelifts, fat grafting, dermal filler etc.
            But then men say it is all fake and plastic and gross.
            But the new techniques are really good and you cannot tell…you just look awesome….especially with the fat grafting
            And we can start dating younger, too, I guess.
            I am getting a headache. I need to stay off the damn internet.

          • Jim Johnson

            ED is a symptom of widespread porn use. Guys get hooked on watching young women doing crazy stuff in bed then see their overweight wrinkled boring wives, and are not excited. The stuff is poison.

          • JaneWilder

            oh my god , we agree. Porn is so gross. It objectifies people. Men and women. Awful. Poison.

          • JaneWilder

            I take estrogen too. I am 67 and just had a total overhaul . I feel great

          • primetime2123

            nah. women have to offer men something. he has status, money, connections, can still reproduce, his own home, offers a good lifestyle etc etc to offer you. if you can’t offer him offspring or can cook, clean, etc ..you offer him nothing. dating is an exchange of value when you break it down. so basically you are saying that men have no use for women as mates if women can’t play into their gender role. Offering a vagina only works only for young women

          • Jane

            Men 50 love women 50 as we can relate, we have high confidence that a 25 year old wont have…plus they dont want any kids a 25 yr old does! And we csn talk about the 70s 80s cause we grew up in them. We are less selfish.

          • jab7168 .

            A man has his friends to discuss the things you mention, aside from sex, name something a modern women brings to a man’s life?

          • JaneWilder

            brains, fun, stimulation, companionship that isn’t dull, understanding, and yea SEX

          • Roanna

            If you want a woman who’s only interested in being with you because of your status, money and connections, then you deserve what you get.

          • JaneWilder

            I have my own home. I don’t want more kids, I like a man who can cook. I have status, and I am fun and smart and actually do things. What penis is a bargain? Pahleeezze. Raising kids is a bargain? hahahahahhaha. Cleaning as vocation? wow. How come all the men in my life are younger and choose me over younger women all the time? Because I have a working vagina , I like sex , I am sexy and smart and I don’t want them nearly as much as they want me. They are boring and pre-dick-table.

          • primetime2123

            if you are over 40 with kids you have to settle for some bum with no money or job. that is what your SMV is worth.

          • TheMagician

            You can talk all you want, but at the end of the day, 100,000 years from now, guys want younger women. Guys go for looks and younger girls look better. There is nothing you can do about it.
            If women were smart, they would get married in their early 20s when their value is at a peak. You want the career? Fine. Just don’t come crying to me at age 35.

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            When I am 35 you will be a obsolete.

          • Iown You

            Men can never be obsolete because the toughest, most important, most complex, and most dangerous jobs are all sought out by men and done by men. Women generally don’t even attempt them and for the most part wouldn’t be good at them especially the ones requiring masculine strength levels.

          • JaneWilder

            I am 67 and am pretty sure I could hold my own with you in a ring.

          • Iown You

            You’re insane. Your old ass wouldn’t be able to withstand a single blow if such a thing happened. That kitty litter dust must have fogged your brain.

          • Jane

            Men 50 should be with women 50..just like girls 25 should be with boys 25….they makes fools of themselves otherwise..lol

          • Roanna

            “girls” look better? Sounds like you prefer children to women. The only way a 40+ man is going to get an 23 year old woman interested in them is if she’s a gold digger. Then the men whine about how all women do is spend their money.

          • Jane

            Everyone i know has someone their age….

          • JaneWilder

            I am 67. I am not crying. I am overjoyed I didn’t get stuck with some Neanderthal for life. I have all the sex I want with men I find exciting. Men are so easy to seduce and I am obviously NOT young.

          • jab7168 .

            .. generally for every jet pilot there is a couple of thousand secretaries. However, If that secretary is decent looking, can cook, and is nice I would take her over the doctor anytime.

    • diamonddame

      just come out of the closet jim lol

      • jab7168 .

        Why are you a disgusting homophobe insinuating there is something wrong with being gay? I doubt Jim is gay, that is just your pathetic attempt at an insult.

    • Aperson Inscarborough

      And I guess your looks never fade?

      • Jim Johnson

        I never said that, but while a guy’s looks starts to fade around 35-40, that is offset by increasing status and wealth. A woman’s looks start to fade around 30, but that is compounded by decreasing vitality. In the market, because women have a shorter time in their “hotness” timeframe, their desirability will also be a higher peak. In other words, men of all ages will be going after them. They will have a skewed perception of their market worth. While this is fine for a woman who uses this time of high attractiveness wisely, if she neglects her ticking timeclock in the pursuit of career or adventure, she will have a huge disadvantage if she is looking for a spouse past 30, and will have to settle for someone she turned up her nose at in her 20’s.

        • Zane

          well said man, since when do women over the age of 23 care about a mans looks? hahaha what a joke. i want to see data on women vs men achievement in the last 10 years. have women even taken full advantage of their “newfound” opportunity lol

          • Jim Johnson

            Yup they view men as an atm. They must earn six figures to be considered Now who is objectifying?

          • Mark

            Get this…few yrs ago i went with a friend to 20-23yo girls apartment…got 10 steps inside, introduced ourselves and the first question was what do i do and how much do i make! yeh i cant make this up…i lied and said $18 per hour and she meekly said “oh thats ok I guess” My poor friend was so embarressed we left not long after….this girl was no oil painting i can assure you….fast foward couple of years and guess what?….yep shes now a single mother. I have so many other firsthand stories like this….Only in NZ

          • Jim Johnson

            Yup, I had terrible luck with women, until my junior year in engineering at college then all of a sudden they saw my earning potential.

          • Mark

            I feel you….I ended up working in the lucrative oil and gas industry and all of a sudden I have all these women seeing me as a good catch…what a coincidence….of course though they will protest that they have just grown up etc etc….I call bullshit. I would be far more comfortable if they could just be honest and say “yeh I want a guy who’s cashed up” I’ve got no issue saying I want a hottie…

          • Jim Johnson

            Women complain that guys like to look at porn while women would rather see a man in a nice suit. They way it is objectification. So, a woman would rather look at a guy’s money than who he is, where a guy will strictly look at the woman.

            Sex robots are the new gross evil in society, and yet dildos have been around for decades, if not centuries and women will not bat an eye. So, sex robots, which are a mock of the entire woman is objectification, but a mock of only the sex organ is not?

            Note: I find both abhorrant, but am noting the hypocrisy.

          • Mark

            never thought of that…excellent point Jim. I’ve seen first hand the hatred toward my friends marriages with younger asian wives but this is interesting because when men starting using bots nobody will know therefore no hating towards them…this means the “man shortage” will really hit home soon when combined with mgtow, hookers and tech to make our lives easier. The women better hope guys keep depositung at sperm banks otherwise it will be a case of no marriage, no kids and a void for alot of women which is sad really, i can only imaging the implications for welfare and social security in the future.

          • Jim Johnson

            The pendulum will swing back as soon as enough guys start checking out. Here in Utah, there is a sizable population of women who find themselves running into the wall still single. There is a shortage of “good guys” willing to wife up. Women are more likely to stay in the LDS church, and will not date a lowly construction worker who smokes and has tattoos. Consequently, you see adds for plastic surgery everywhere. Lots of women are projecting the “NAWALT” persona, trying to compete for the few guys who are responsible.

            I work with the youth at church, it is about opposite for the high school kids. The boys are drooling over the girls who have overinflated egos. The girls won’t give them the time of day. It is laughable to see the contrast.

          • Mark

            I’ll have to google some of those acronyms but i get what you are saying. I just hope the governments dont try bring in some type of bachelor tax etc in the meantime….its been mentioned before in parliment. Its bad enough having to pay for womens contraceptives and other initiatives with my tax dollars.

          • Jim Johnson

            LDS – Latter Day Saint = Mormon
            NAWALT – Not all women are like that…..basically women trying to differentiate themselves from the stereotypical leftist. They say they want to live the conservative traditional life, to stay home and raise kids. Whether they truly are is a different story.

          • Mark

            ah that old chestnut…..yeh seen that…play up and be all sexually liberated when young then play im a traditional girl who deserves the traditional institution of marriage etc…The girls that say that crap (not all tho) usually have had more slugs up them than grandpas shotgun and do their best to cover their tracks.

          • Jim Johnson

            If they are truly traditional, they will marry in their early 20’s as a virgin. They will be holding out for sex until marriage, then really desire to be married to have sex, so they get married young.

          • Mark

            A bit of a rarity in west….also unrealistic given our liberal, consumer and status orientated society driven by the elites to keep kickn the financial can down the road…and so history will repeat. Follow the money…all roads lead to rome.

          • Jim Johnson

            It is rare. In order to get one, I transformed my life gave up my vices and went to church. It took me about five years and my old life. For better or worse, I made that decision and stuck with it. I married a 23 year old virgin and now live a fairly traditional life. High costs but high rewards

          • Mark

            excuse the possible stupid question, I can understand the “reward” but what was the “high cost” financial? mental? emotional? opportunity?

          • Jim Johnson

            A bit of background here, I grew up agnostic, never set foot in any church. I was a typical kid who had typical vices. When I got into my early 20’s and started dating, I quickly found the women to be abhorrent. Over inflated egos, narcissistic behavior was all to common, I’m sure you are more than familiar with them.

            There was this dorky religious kid I knew since grade school. He was such a square, we teased him but in the back of my mind, I admired his integrity in standing up for his values. At 22, he sends me a wedding invite. When I meet them, I am jealous. She is this young, good looking, traditional girl. I wanted that.

            I had a belief in God, but didn’t do anything about it at the time. I was in my first year of college. I started asking the girls out from class that I thought had the most virtuous demeanor. Time after time, these girls would go on a first date with me, but quickly break it off before we could form a relationship. I did this for about six months. Then, one girl (cute 19 YO) asked if I would go to church with her. We didn’t have a relationship, and I really didn’t want one. I wanted to find for myself if church was right for me. So, I went to church with my dorky religious friend.

            What did it cost? Well, I had to change my life. I had a real conflict with my friends, and my family. For about two years, the girls at church thought I was doing it just to get with them, so they kept their distance. It was tough to remove yourself from one life and try to fit into a new life. It was awkward. I felt I was in limbo between two different worlds. Over time, the awkwardness disappeared for the most part. Still, there is a feeling of discomfort around in-laws.

            In order to maintain that traditionality, I continue to take my wife to church, we read the scriptures as a family every day, I try to live the commandments, I volunteer my time…..all of these things are taxing. Yet, they have rewards.

          • Mark

            wow…bit of change wasnt it lol. Its hard breaking the old social circles..as they say if you lay witj dogs you catch flees, ever noticed smokers hang with smokers, same witb unemployed , sluts, feminists, redpillers etc. Its hard to break that even if you a genuine urge to leave. I was a soldier then left and became a drug dealer…got a bit too good at it thanks to the training i have so I decided to cut ties with it and left the country for a better life….since then I my drive and mentality has shot up, even my earnings are up over 1000% as i surrounded myself with successful people, learnt to investing and marketing etc…but for all the gains iv made professionaly/menatlly /emotionallytheres a huge no mans land between friends and some family back home who critisise what iv become. They also hate the fact i dont drink alcohol…sometimes il get a beer, tip it out and fill it with water so they think im drinking just to make them more comfortable…its just easier sometimes.
            I think what weve discoverd is that its what weve said no to that has made us.

          • Mark

            FYI…in australia construction work isnt such a down grade in status anymore…Many of us make more than lawyers. I’ve had plenty of older people with grown kids ask me how to get there sons into trades like instrumentation, electrician, plumbing etc as university degrees are dime a dozen now so you almost need a honors or masters depending on your field just to get a graduate job. They didnt train enough skilled techs here years ago, now many are retiring so thers a skill shortage in the trades. Most normal tradies here bank 100k easy and oil and gas guys 160-260k…doesnt stop girls looking down on you in highvis tho….until they see your car lol

          • Jim Johnson

            Nice, market forces are a. Fact of nature. As much as the socialists try, they cannot change physics

          • Tiger Bos

            Yes women are interested in earning potential just as men are only interested in looks it evens out

          • Iown You

            False. You can’t take half a woman’s looks in divorce court…

            Try again.

          • Tiger Bos

            A woman’s earning potential has nothing to do with her looks..even if she’s a prostitute. You are really bad at this. lol

          • Iown You

            Actually, I must be great at this because that point just went completely over your head somehow and I wasn’t even trying. But if you think about it with a little effort, I’m certain you will understand. HINT: Look at it from the opposite perspective of a woman in that situation.

          • Jane

            I dpnt care about a man’s bank account but he must work. His other traits are 100 times more inportant.

          • jab7168 .

            So minimum wage short guy with a heart of gold works for you….. I call BS.

          • Jane

            I see ter ugliest fat women with greatlooking men with great jobs and shake my head and those women are usually bitches to them .

          • Roanna

            And all some men seem to see is a body and a lifelong maid.

          • registermydick@yahoo.com

            Have fun with your cats.

          • Roanna

            I earn six figures. I don’t need some man’s money and I would not be at all surprised if someone with like an attitude like yours is single and will remain so, but you’ll blame it on the women rather than on your own ego issues.

          • Mary Mac

            Roanna,you go girl!

          • Iown You

            The “you go” thing is played out by like 20 years. Please don’t ever say that again. Thanks.

          • registermydick@yahoo.com

            Enjoy your cats.

          • Roanna

            If I choose to adopt cats, I’m sure I’d enjoy their presence a great deal more than a that of a guy like you.

        • Tiger Bos

          There’s more to women than their looks you shallow idiot

          • Jim Johnson

            There can be, my wife being one. But for your average feminist bar hag, they don’t offer anything else

          • bunny

            Ugh, you’re giving me flashbacks about why I left that disgusting religion as soon as I could (I was forced to go as a youth). You just joined to get a woman who was easier to control. Ya. Sounds like a patriarchal religion to me. But judging by the amount of hours you spend complaining about unruly, independent women online, you are working very hard to convince yourself and others. Your life or your quality of masculinity, no thanks. I’ll pursue my hedonistic feminism with relish, so thanks for affirming that. And now that I am past the wall, I have a pile of cash that is just mine and don’t have to answer to a man (Oh, and I still have them beating at the door for a chance to get inside). Thank God for feminism. Now that’s a religion I can get behind.

          • Iown You

            “Thank God for feminism. Now that’s a *cult* I can get behind.”

            Fixed.

          • bunny

            Yes, Mormonism is a cult. Fair statement

          • http://tech-zilla.com/ TechZilla

            I’m truly sorry that ruling class cretins run all institutions in our society, to the detriment of the people of society. The institutions are manipulative, duplicitous, and detrimental to the victims they feed off. However, in no way does that make your lifestyle the right path for most women, or even most adult people.

            That ruling class men refused to check their most immediate desires, to the detriment of the wives who they claimed to care about, just doesn’t mean this is how working men are. Work isn’t empowering, it’s how we provide for our family, we do it because it pays bills. We do it to take care of those we love, and that’s also why we don’t frequent brothels. strip clubs, and back alleys. This is what masculinity is also about, being a grown boy who has no control over his own desires is immaturity.

            I have no problem with a woman taking on any role, but who do you provide for? When do you rise above the animal you are, to become capable of maintaining safety and security for others? Someone has to do this in a relationship, and they do it so the other person doesn’t need to do it. I don’t care who it is, but unfortunately biology also gets in the way. Most women begin to lose attraction to the male partner, when he takes on the role of a boy. Now not all women might be like this, but most are, not understanding this leads to unhappiness for everyone.

            Being stuck in immaturity, when you don’t have to provide or care for anyone, just means you never progress in your life. Some people just can’t move to the next stage, they are too damaged for whatever reason. Its not even their fault, they can’t change who they fundamentally are.

          • bunny

            My posts keep getting marked as spam. Fancy that.

            Yes, thank you for the rational and well thought out response. What you are describing is positive masculinity, and I treasure the men like this in my life… They tend to see things with a more global view. What are they doing with their lives? How are their actions affecting others? Who do they care about, and how can they give that wonderfully strong, supportive, protective energy that at their best men can so amazingly give? The most important quality, to me anyway, is what you hit on with the ability to be self aware, to learn, and to grow.

            I don’t just focus on the negative and the toxic. On the contrary, I value more the conversations where we can talk about the good things that men do. However, when I am confronted with the toxicity, I occasionally respond. I got triggered a bit here just to hear Jim so brazenly admit to joining the church for the gender brainwashing. It hit a nerve.

            That’s fine if most people don’t choose my lifestyle… I’m a special kind of snowflake, but I am genuinely happy in my life now. Being forced into roles that weren’t natural for me when I was younger made me miserable. I respect other’s right to choose. If a woman wants to be a stay at home mom, for example, totally fine. I can see the positive in that. Just don’t force me to do something I don’t feel is right for me.

          • me me

            women are totally shallow in those years of hotness. and with the crazy, dramatic, used up factor denial sets in and no actually womens only value is their looks before 30, after 30 games over your not getting anyone

          • MisterX

            Thats bullshit lazy, flabby guys without a personality say to feel good about themselves. These older women get plenty of men after them, just might not be for long term though. Reality is full of consequences

          • Iown You

            >>>Being stuck in immaturity, when you don’t have to provide or care for anyone, just means you never progress in your life.<<>>Most women begin to lose attraction to the male partner, when he takes on the role of a boy.<<<

            And this is the sticking point that feminists cannot accept because it requires them to look in the mirror. They've created a generation of men who don't know how to be men but are at the same time angry about the "lack of real men". Well, they created this problem and now that they've gotten what they asked for and don't like it, instead of taking blame they instead lash out at the very men they feminized.

          • http://tech-zilla.com/ TechZilla

            “That’s a very close-minded view. Some people never get the opportunity.”

            I’m not condemning anyone, and I’d applaud anyone who knows their own limitations. Keep in mind, maturity doesn’t just show up in providing for your own children. It’s about providing for others, because you already provided for oneself, how this manifests itself is specific to each individual.

          • Xehan Branch

            She must be unattractive to herself.

          • Jim Johnson

            I would agree. Low self esteem would play a huge part. This would be brought on by a series of poor choices and poor outcomes. I see some of my over the hill coworkers who are single and I can’t help but notice a depressed attitude. Then, as they near “the wall” a natural yearning to have children creates a desperation and longing for family life that slips away as they realize they can’t have it. All of this compounds into the perfect storm and leaves many women depressed and angry.

            I think the message we need to take away from this article is to not fritter away your youth. I’d admit, I have said some pretty stinging comments on here. Hopefully, it is to get some women to wake up. Their time in the spotlight is short. I know of several career women who are living with regret now because they listened to the feminist mantra in their youth.

          • Xehan Branch

            Keep telling the truth, whether it stings or not. I am not against female empowerment, and I believe that parts if the feminist movement is designed for women to miss their time to shine. This, as you mentioned, makes them depressed and angry, which in turn leaves them vulnerable to homosexual attacks because of the longing for closeness, pursuit, and general feelings of being desired.

          • bunny

            Time to shine? For gems like yourselves? No thanks. My calling cards are full. Problem here is that you misunderstand the standards and consider yourselves the end all be all. If you’d like to throw your multicolored pills away and get a healthy dose of the truth, let me know.

          • me me

            Yes must be

          • Mark

            Theres also more to a man than his height, education and money….but you try telling that to a poor short guy with no education.

          • Tiger Bos

            ..another fallacy that uneducated men who are short never get dates…come to my neighborhood here in the south where there’s a huge deal of that and trust me, men here are getting laid by the thousands…

          • Mark

            excellent to hear, im very happy for them.

          • Iown You

            You couldn’t possibly be more full of crap, lol. Next you’re going to tell us, “guys with no jobs and erectile dysfunction have to beat women off with a STICK in my neighborhood!”

            Stop. Seriously. Stop. Smh.

          • Tiger Bos

            Apparently men in American have the most flaccid penises of anywhere in the world as evidenced by the widespread use of erectile dysfunction…i’m sure there’s a way you’ll try to blame women for that lol

          • Iown You

            Why would you be “sure” of anything I’d do given you know absolutely nothing about me?

            Condescension is a helluva drug…

          • jab7168 .

            Obesity

          • jab7168 .

            By fat cows….. trailer park dim bulbs reproducing exponentially.

          • MisterX

            Short men without education are not a viable option to most women. This is turning into fantasy land.

          • Roanna

            If I were into girls, I wouldn’t be interested in a poor person with no education either. Not, because I need money (I make a good living), but because one can choose to educate oneself, even if it’s just through books from the library. If one chooses to be ignorant that says a whole lot about their innate intelligence (low) and their lack of curiosity and drive. An intelligent person, self educated or otherwise, will find a way to make a half way decent living, as well.

          • Mark

            But you’re not into girls & have your own values related to this which are different to mine and others. Im not interested in her lack of education or drive or inate intelligence….Im more interested in how I feel around her.

          • GullibleSkeptic

            I am 77 And I find all Women Attractive, if they have a Nice Personality, Sense of Humor,
            and (at least some) intelligence!

          • Iown You

            He never said looks are the only thing, but men are not beating the doors down trying to get to unattractive women because they have beautiful personalities. Stop kidding yourself.

          • Tiger Bos

            Of course we don’t expect men to try to beat down the door of unattractive women because when you only are interested in looks then that’s not exactly going to help you is it? No wonder the divorce rate is so high lol

          • Iown You

            I know, I know. The divorce rate is so high only because of men. Nevermind that women initiate divorce about 80% of the time in any given year. Anyone familiar with statistical reasoning knows immediately from looking at that number that men could not possibly be at fault 80% of the time. But who cares about that? Men by default should always be blamed for everything.

            Misandry is America’s national pastime.

          • llt

            Statistically women 9 times out of 10 are the ones to start divorce proceedings this is true. There are a few different reasons why this is true. 1. the man really wants to save the marriage 2. He doesn’t want to look like the bad guy or he doesn’t have the guts to stop the miserable train wreck that keeps going on 3. He knows the the divorce proceeding are going to be hard as heck. or 4. He doesn’t want to take on the financial responsibilities he knows is most likely at the end of the process. The only time a man usually initiates divorce 9 times out of 10 is when his wife is an alcoholic/drug addict.

          • jab7168 .

            Like what?

          • Anoni Mouse

            Lol, ok.

          • Matthew Rodgers

            80% of what women value men for is their social status. you’re a vanity mirror to her ego. Men value physical beauty, youth, and fertility. So when women cut up their faces, get botox, lip injections, and huge breasts – we say, “Oh my god, men are so shallow… look what they made that poor girl do”. Truth is, that poor girl just didn’t want to let go of the power that young, hot women wield over society. And guys victimize her and play the nice guy role – because they want to get laid and have approval from women – but it doesn’t work… and she friend zones him and runs off with the “jerk”. because nature role wins, and this is how nature set us up. like it or not. Generally the only people who don’t accept this are ones who are low on that totem pole, and have limited options, and resources. I’m ALL for marrying for love, BUT… just being honest about the nature of men and women.

          • Latika Meena

            You are such a basturd nothing else. At least the women like me will never date u. That itself closes the argument to being good or bad to attract any women. If any man quite older than a woman carries the perspectives like you then sorry to say beauty with brains will never be at your door. And dare you knock our doors we know how to take advantage of such lusty and greedy men and leave nothing to them.

        • Roanna

          No, your wealth will never offset your cave man attitudes. An attractive man is one who treats his partner as a person, not a gender role.

          • Iown You

            “Cave man attitude” Roanna, get a clue. The man is talking about basic biological response. You don’t have to like the fact that men prefer youth in women, but you damn sure have to accept it because it’s not going to change.

            And on the other side, if you’re telling me women are not attracted to security, then shield my eyes from all the women I see with guys who look like horror flick villains but are being led by the hand to that bright red Corvette.

            You, like all feminists, are kidding yourself.

          • Roanna

            If a man’s most positive trait is his bank balance, you can bet women are NOT attracted to him. They’re attracted to his money. That’s no basis for a real relationship. Before too long they’ll tire of dealing with the jerk / caveman , and find a way to take that money and leave. That said, men who are only after women who are young, will do the same when they perceive the woman is losing her looks with age.

            Intellect is the number one attractive quality I look for in a man. Intelligent men do not pigeonhole people based antiquated gender roles. Nor are they stupid enough to partner with someone primarily because of their looks.

            That said, who’d be interested in a guy who lives like a bum, refusing to work and make a decent living if he’s capable of doing so? Sure, people who can take care of themselves, rather than wanting someone to take care of them, are more attractive. I would hope that would be the case both ways.

          • Iown You

            Roanna, let me explain something to you that you’re not able to see because you’re not in a position to see it because you don’t live in a man’s shoes:

            Look at Jay-Z. He is an ugly dude. Yet, he has one of the most beautiful women on the planet. He was always known for having a great personality and being a cool guy to hang around, but before he was filthy rich he wasn’t attracting any beautiful women. He was attracting unattractive women. No coincidence that once he became rich he was getting Beyonce-Level women and eventually got Beyonce herself.

            As a woman, you want to hold to the idea that women are deep and spiritual and only look at the value nature of a man. But men know from courting women that the guy that usually runs off with the hot lady is the guy with the nice car, and a matching bank account. You see, men know from experience that women tend to SAY what they like, but they CHOOSE something different from what they’ve SAID. You don’t experience this because you don’t date heterosexual women, but we do so we know for a fact that this is how it plays out.

            You SAY: “Intellect is the number one attractive quality I look for in a man.” And let’s say for the sake of the argument what you say is true for YOU. You need to accept that it’s not true for a lot of women, because you know as well as I do that women are not choosing the mental giants of the male species, they’re mostly choosing men for everything else BUT their intellect. A lot of these men women are choosing are absolute losers and are far from intelligent. They’re with the guy because he’s physically attractive to her or has money/status or a combination of those things. Very rarely is a woman choosing a man simply because he’s brilliant, because women are superficial just like men are and even moreso based on numerous studies that are generally suppressed in this gynocentric western society we live in. Saying anything unflattering of women even when it’s true and backed by empirical evidence is a cardinal sin in this society.

            To your last point, understand, men do not care about the same things women care about in a mate. I can see that you seem to equate men who say this with being “antiquated” etc, but you’re kidding yourself. This isn’t antiquated, it truly is reality. A man is not sitting around aroused thinking about a woman’s intelligence or her status, he simply does not care about those things. This is why super rich women like Oprah could never keep a man but a guy like Jay-Z has had women beating down his door (and still does) while having a long-time marriage to a world-class beauty. Men are unconcerned with a woman’s status, women are generally intrigued by a man’s status and want the man who has it. This isn’t to say a man would prefer the woman to be a dummy or poor, but what I’m telling you is that her intelligence and status is not part of the general selection criteria when men choose a woman to court. He’s not concerned with her IQ, her degrees, her accomplishments or any of those things. They may make great conversation topics, but it won’t make her any more appealing to a man especially if the woman is not physically attractive. And therein lies the big difference. A man with all of those things would be considered more attractive to women: having money and those accomplishments to go along with it.

            It’s not a matter of right or wrong. It’s simply that men and women seek out each other for differing reasons and have differing things that turn them on. It’s a balance that is necessary. The problem with modern feminism’s idea that there should be no gender roles has confused everything and that idea is failing, objectively, unless you consider cities full of single moms and streets full of trash and crime to be the shining example of “working”. As we continue to feminize men and masculinize women, society will continue falling apart until there isn’t one left.

          • bunny

            This guy thinks he knows Oprah’s life. I think we are done here. Hey, sad fact is that marriage is better for a man… increases his life span and happiness, but the same things only make a negligible difference in a woman’s life, probably only because family creates a social outlet for women. What you say and what the reality is on studies about happiness in aging differ. Single women with cats are actually quite pleased. I guess women don’t actually want to be your laundress, maid, and breeding mare. Imagine that!

          • Iown You

            “This guy” has read Oprah’s words about her life. Apparently you haven’t. Do that before condescending. Thanks.

            >>>>Single women with cats are actually quite pleased. I guess women don’t actually want to be your laundress, maid, and breeding mare. Imagine that!<<<<

            Nevermind that absolutely nothing I said should've elicited that response. Word to the wise, when you go into that particular spiel it makes you sound like the typical wackjob feminist. It's not becoming. It's just another man-hate stereotype. And being a cat lady is pathetic, plain and simple.

            In reply to the "men are happier in marriage" idea, I'm glad I got my degree in Psychology because I have the knowledge to be able to see through junk science. FYI, there are many studies on that subject, many conflicting ones in fact, and do you know where a great deal of the pro studies come from? Marriage Advocacy groups and WOMEN who advocate marriage. Those are sources we can trust, huh? Suuuuure.

            I've reviewed many of those studies and I can tell you that their findings are filled with confirmation bias, this is why results have NEVER become finalized in the updated DSMs.

            Let me get one last laugh in at these ridiculous studies. Here is a line from one study by the Institute for Family Studies (boy no bias in THAT name):

            "Men who stay married are in much better financial shape than their peers who divorced…"

            Yeah no kidding. Because a man who hasn't had a divorce hasn't had 50% or greater of his lifetime earnings and assets ripped away from him in divorce court. That line is akin to saying "Men who have stayed alive are much more alive than their peers who died." What a joke, lol.

            Anyway… Having children is, you know, SORT OF important to the maintaining of our species. And btw, housework is a job. If we both work we'll share in it, but if I work and you don't you should be doing that job exclusively. Doing housework is not "oppression of the patriarchy" it's about not having a dirty ass house and not wearing dirty ass clothes and having something to eat. So many women today I've encountered keep a nasty house and wear dirty clothes and don't know how to cook. I mean sticking to that "I'm not going to do housework" credo becomes pretty damn sad when you won't even clean up and cook for YOURSELVES, lol. Smh. Pathetic. 3rd wave feminism is an unqualified disaster that has absolutely destroyed women.

          • Roanna

            Our species is over populated. As to women keeping a “dirty house” or not knowing “how to cook”, there are plenty of men who keep dirty houses and don’t know how to cook. How is that any more acceptable? I guess you only look down on women because of your preconceived notions of what women should be like. I suggest you start judging people as PEOPLE first and not by what body parts they have.

            In one breath you whine about men having to share their earnings in a divorce, and the next you claim “housework is a job”. So, what was that “job” worth to the relationship when it ends? I guess in your mind, it’s not worth as much as working outside the home, and you wonder why women aren’t interested in your “traditional family” model anymore.

          • Iown You

            >>>Our species is over populated.<<>>As to women keeping a “dirty house” or not knowing “how to cook”, there are plenty of men who keep dirty houses and don’t know how to cook. How is that any more acceptable? <<>>I guess you only look down on women because of your preconceived notions of what women should be like. I suggest you start judging people as PEOPLE first and not by what body parts they have.<<>>In one breath you whine about men having to share their earnings in a divorce,<<>>and the next you claim “housework is a job”. So, what was that “job” worth to the relationship when it ends? I guess in your mind, it’s not worth as much as working outside the home, and you wonder why women aren’t interested in your “traditional family” model anymore.<<<

            Here we go again. First of all, I couldn't care less about a "traditional family model". Why you feel the need to ascribe your stereotypes to me constantly has reached the level of creepy. Seriously, what is your deal? I believe two-parent household are superior in performance because the statistics prove it, but beyond that you have no basis for your claim.

            Me saying housework is a job being turned into a negative is bizarre, but I can see you have limits in your logical processing so let me help you: Every job in society has a value. The person who wraps your hamburger has a less valuable job than the person who does open heart surgery.

            So in that same spirit, while housework is a job, so is the job done outside the home that PAYS THE BILLS. You see, you can actually survive with a nasty house, but you won't be able to keep that house if the BILLS don't get paid. Therefore, the job that brings in the MONEY to PAY THE BILLS is the more important job. The fact that even has to be explained is frightening, lol.

          • bunny

            Amazing also, in the fantasy land of Men’s Rancid Anger movement, how you always blame single moms. So men are so weak that they can’t choose to be in their own children’s life?

          • Iown You

            Smh. I know nothing of this “Rancid Anger movement” unless you’re talking about feminism. Feminism spews nothing but psuedoscience, perpetual victimhood narratives, outright lies and hatred toward men. At least MGTOWs and MRAs point to real statistics and real science. And sure, there is some anger and there should be. Any group disrespected for long enough will get angry. It’s perfectly understandable that mens groups are outraged, they have every right to be.

            Further, it’s not about “always blaming single moms”, but who are we kidding? Single motherhood has been shown statistically to be a detriment to society in terms of drain on taxpayer resources, and the criminal justice system being overloaded with criminals who are the product of single mother households. These are facts, not feelings.

            Lastly, because the man and woman are not together doesn’t mean the father is not in the children’s life. But for those who aren’t let’s have another reality check: women have become incredibly poor choosers of men. Because of the “sexual revolution” women are more apt to open their legs to what makes them horny versus what will give them and their potential children a stable future like they did prior to said “revolution”. And look at the results. America’s cities have devolved into warzones, young boys are growing up totally confused about who they are and what they’re supposed to be and when they’re not having that problem they’re committing suicide in record numbers and no one cares because this society has become totally gynocentric and uncaring of men and men’s issues.

          • Matryoshkadollie

            Amazing how ran it misogynist get about feminism. Y’all are just angry because women don’t want you…and why would they want some arrogant a*hole who only wants to keep a woman down?

          • Iown You

            “how ran it “?

            Anyway, you’re projecting with your insults. Says a lot about you to do that to a person you’ve literally never communicated with before, smh…

            Further, I love how any time something said about women isn’t glowing praise the word misogyny gets spewed even when it’s without basis. Fine, I’ll call you a misandrist. Why not? I don’t have any proof just like you have no proof to call me a misogynist or make the claim that I want to “keep a woman down.” Keep a woman down, LOL!

            As for women not wanting me, lol. You wish. I can’t speak for all men who aren’t putting up with your femnazi garbage, but we’re not all a bunch of outcasts that no woman wants to have sex with just because most feminists are angry grotesque humpbacks with green hair that only beta cuck femnazi sympathizers want to have sex with… simply because they’ll be happy to have sex with ANYBODY.

          • Howard Bonds

            Are you retarded? Honestly, I cannot even conclude your statement as even rational.

          • Melinda Jones

            Gawd dag, he told you off!! Lol! That was the most brilliant rebuttal to the difference between male wants n female wants I have EVER heard. I concur sir.

            Sincerely,
            Feminist, Saint Joseph University since 2003

          • Tony

            Intellect…yeah right. If that were the case Stephen Hawking would have women all over him.

          • JaneWilder

            I think he does have women all over him. He is amazing.

          • Mark

            Funny how what they say and what they actually do rarely lines up….Girl wants to lose weight, “yeh umm like can I have the low fat X….& one large X healthy juice (loaded with sugar) Im not sure if they even realise whats goin on haha

          • Roanna

            I suspect like attracts like, when it comes to how shallow someone is, or how intelligent someone is. Men who pick women who chase them because they’re rich, are just about as shallow as the women who chase the man primarily because he’s rich. There are also plenty of men who are looking for rich women. Desire for money isn’t tied to gender. So yeah, a rich _person_ is going to have people flocking to them, whether it’s friends, cousins crawling out of the woodwork, or gold diggers. But let’s talk about the norm here… “rich” people are few and far between.

            Intelligent men want intelligent women, because an intelligent man knows that looks fade, and you’ll get bored out of your mind spending more than a couple hours with someone who’s dumb as a rock.

            I think as a woman, I have at least as good of a perspective on this issue as any individual guy. You’re talking about what guys see, I’m talking about what I’d do.

            Gender roles have nothing to do with attraction. What a person can do, their skills, interests, etc. are not determined by their gender or who they choose to hook up with. And streets being fully of “trash” or “crime” also have nothing to do with feminism. As to single Moms… being a responsible parent, has nothing to do with feminism either. Men refusing to take up their responsibilities is nothing new.

            Men who can’t handle equality are simply pitiful men. But I can see how some men who struggle for status among other men, don’t like the idea of more competition, or are upset by the idea that they won’t be able to marry the equivalent of a personal servant / lapdog.

          • Iown You

            >>>Men who pick women who chase them because they’re rich, are just about as shallow as the women who chase the man primarily because he’s rich.<<>>There are also plenty of men who are looking for rich women.<<>>Intelligent men want intelligent women, because an intelligent man knows that looks fade, and you’ll get bored out of your mind spending more than a couple hours with someone who’s dumb as a rock.<<>>I think as a woman, I have at least as good of a perspective on this issue as any individual guy. You’re talking about what guys see, I’m talking about what I’d do.<<<>>Gender roles have nothing to do with attraction. What a person can do, their skills, interests, etc. are not determined by their gender or who they choose to hook up with.<<>>And streets being fully of “trash” or “crime” also have nothing to do with feminism.<<>>As to single Moms… being a responsible parent, has nothing to do with feminism either.<<>>Men refusing to take up their responsibilities is nothing new.<<>>Men who can’t handle equality are simply pitiful men.<<>> But I can see how some men who struggle for status among other men, don’t like the idea of more competition, or are upset by the idea that they won’t be able to marry the equivalent of a personal servant / lapdog.<<<

            Just more lame male shaming language mixed in with stereotypes born from your misperceptions of men. Men have never and will never be afraid to compete, it's in our DNA to drive to excellence, it again is why your ass is standing on this great country right now. It's why we went to the moon. It's why we advanced technology further and further to all the conveniences you ungratefully enjoy every day that MEN invented. COMPETITION.

            If women really had to compete with men, you know, without all the special women's grants and programs, HIRING QUOTAS, and legal protections, etc. you would be nowhere right now. Because despite all of the so-called progress women have made, men still work more hours, work more days, and do harder and more dangerous jobs than women (which is the real reason for the false "gender pay gap" which was DEBUNKED a by a FEMALE scholar btw).

          • registermydick@yahoo.com

            It’s not the bank account alone. It is the life he can provide because he was better than the pack. It is the confidence and striving that the man has done, it is his work ethic, and his drive, his power. All things that women want to see in a man. I hope your cats are well.

          • primetime2123

            you just exposed yourself at the end there. you and all women want status and money in a man otherwise you would not care if he had a job or not. start dating homeless men and men will start dating old women. lol

          • registermydick@yahoo.com

            Your cats doing well?

          • Howard Bonds

            Said the women who has no problem treating men to negative gender roles for pointing out facts.

        • Xehan Branch

          Wys, again.

        • llt

          I don’t have a problem with older men wanting or even dating/marrying younger but I find that a lot of American men are just not taking care of themselves and many look older than their age. Eating the wrong foods and too much is really aging them. When I look at so many men my age in their mid 50s very few would really attract a younger woman unless they really had a great brain and personality. Or in some cases good finances for women who are attracted to the money security thing. Too many men are old before they need to be old. It is because of the lack of care for their bodies and well as learning new things and not being stuck in the past. And while the older men are looking at the younger women there are many older women looking at the 40 something men.

          • Jim Johnson

            True, but then they are out of the market for young women. That is their problem

        • Jane

          The best men are farmers and fishermen

          • Jim Johnson

            Could be, my dad was a farmer. Too much work, imo. I went into engineering so I could have free weekends and still afford to not have my wife work. Seems to have worked out. I don’t know too many professional fisherman.

        • MisterX

          ” In the market, because women have a shorter time in their “hotness” timeframe, their desirability will also be a higher peak. ”

          Yeah I don’t know about that…if women and men take care of themselves, invest in their bodies, diet, etc…they can look good well into their late 40’s.

    • S M.

      Oddly enough this is actually not accurate. There are multiple studies done that concluded different findings including the prime time of a women being much later even in terms of fertility. Actually fertility issues decreases in women who had children past 25 as long as they were before their mid 30’s which in turn increased problems associated with child birth. Ironically men were actually shown to have greatly reduced sperm coubt and fertility even after 25 as well as problems with erection especially in later years with the booming of ipa beers with hops and gmo soy introduced into our foods(highly estrogenic). The truth is, these men represent thr same group of women who like younger men only and who are repulsed by men passed their 30’s really. And to these two groups of men and women, they are but spiritually feeble creatures who will never experience true sexuality or love. They will chase something that pedophilic propaganda has instilled into their minds by the great pedophile masters who have ran our society for as long as there was one. They will never know Gods true message because they can not truly love or respect the opposite gender nor can they love or respect themselves.

      • Jim Johnson

        I think the issue is, is this notion that you have to have it all before you marry and have a family. Overprotected kids are ill prepared to cope on their own and they are taught this idea that continued adolescence is the way to go. While a few years of flaking off is fine, you cannot do it forever without consequences. Time is short, especially if you have dreams of a big family and it gets disrupted by divorce.

      • Jane

        I heard men 50 like women 40ish but it depends on if he wants a child or not. I am 50 and never had kids so I prefer a man 5 years younger to my age with no kids or ex wives. My good friend just got married at 57 she landed a man 10 years younger. I have many men 40 and up after me more than men my age or older in fact I have more men after me now than anytime in my 20s! Just like in itlay men revere older women they love their confidence!

        • jab7168 .

          THat man is a fool, unless your friend is rich.

        • primetime2123

          those men are poor or ugly are the only explanation

    • S M.

      I agree that modern femenism (western) has become repulsive. It has turned into a race to act as a man and be treated like one. Go to third world countries and these poor women are trying to fight for the right to be treated as a human being and not a dog.

      • Jim Johnson

        And yet all you hear from feminists about those areas are crickets. Heck, feminists like Merkel are trying to import it.

    • ssohara

      My experience… I was a virgin until I got engaged to my first husband. Unfortunately, he is gone. Now I am 50 and single. And I thought – well, shoot, no way will I get any dates, better sit home and knit. Not the case. I have had plenty of guys flirt with me, ask me out, etc. Including several who are in their late 30s/early 40s. Feminism though is helping me out because I am a feminine woman. I don’t wear a lot of make-up or show cleavage… in fact, I dress very modestly. But I smile, I listen, I flirt. I expect them to open doors for me and take care of me. And they eat it up. 🙂 Now, not sure any of this will lead to marriage, and that is frustrating for me because I like sex but believe it should be saved for that special someone. And especially with a younger man, if he wants a family – well, I am not going to be able to give him one. On the other hand there are men closer to my own age who have already had their families or who have a child or two and who don’t want more… so who knows?

      • Jim Johnson

        That’s fine. Like you admitted no guy that is looking for kids will go for you. Sounds like you are traditional in your behavior. Guys like that, not feminism.

        • JaneWilder

          I am a feminist and like sex and 67 and men of all ages like me. I like the seduction, I like the chase, I like the fun. I just do not want kids either. I have grandkids. I don’t want to take care of anybody not kids, not men, just me. I want to have fun and interesting times, do active stuff and be committed to being honest. Most men are not very good at that part. But so what? Then I leave

          • Jim Johnson

            eeewwwwww

          • primetime2123

            sorry I don’t see any men on this planet who will chase a 67 year old woman. her SMV is negative. she would have to pay very well

          • Jim Johnson

            Not so sure, there are a number of widowers out there in their 70’s and 80’s who would take a girl out, bang her and move on. Still what kind of message does this behavior send to her grandkids? Disgusting human being. She is a whore, trading sex for resources. Imagine having your grandma with that lifestyle

          • primetime2123

            nah man. if I am that old 70s -80s I am heading to the Philippines and straight up paying for it.

          • Jim Johnson

            My grandpa died of cancer around 65. My grandma remarried within a couple years. With her savings, they bought an RV and traveled for a number of years. When they ran out of money, he divorced her. Similar thing happened to my wife’s Grandma. At that age, it is more about the money for companionship. I would like to think sex has little to do with it.

          • Mark

            old lady sex….shudder

      • bunny

        Ya, “The Wall” is just a myth that insecure men tell themselves try and keep women in a manageable box. Men who actually appreciate women don’t mind aging. All of my friends in their 30’s-50’s (and probably beyond, but that’s just the age range I know) have no problems getting male attention. I mean tons of male attention and offers for commitment. Doesn’t matter if they are feminist or not.

        • ssohara

          well, and here’s the thing – whoever you are, own it. If you are a feminist, then you are a feminist. There are people who love and adore feminists.

        • Iown You

          You are only lying to yourself if you think women don’t lose their looks as they age and that men have a strong desire for aging women. I mean, what kind of BS do you think people should be buying? Your thought is delusion but it borderlines on stupidity.

          For every one woman you see in her 50’s that is still attractive, I can show you 1,000 women that are totally washed up and are no longer desirable. The wall is real because all the wall is is TIME, and time halts for no one. Even the woman who still is attractive at 50 is still going to lose her looks any day at that point.

          Women today live in a fantasy world mindstate and your delusional post shows more evidence, smh. The mainstream media has wrecked your minds.

          • Jane

            Then how do you explain ugly fat mean women with gorgeous husbands?

          • bunny

            It’s just numbers. If everyone goes after only attractive women from 18-29, then there would be about 10 men for every woman who meets your criteria. Blame it on the media with movies hooking unattractive men up with bombshell actresses, giving you false hope. So if you are smart and you realize you don’t want to be alone, that you want a woman who can relate to you on your level, you’d open up your dating prospects to someone closer to your age range. On second thought, please don’t. Nicest thing about aging is that the most undesirable men are still stuck creeping on the young ones.

          • Iown You

            You’re missing the point because you’re coming from a place of anger when reading that instead coming from a place of objectivity. Logic over emotion. Breathe.

            Simply because men DESIRE younger women (again, stop getting upset over men’s biological responses) that doesn’t mean that they will ONLY seek younger women, or that they will end up with younger women. Believe it or not (and I have doubts you believe any positives about men) men are capable of loving a woman beyond her looks and this is why a guy in his 50s+ can stay with his wife who is 50s+ despite a biological desire for younger women.

          • JaneWilder

            Hey I look way better than my ex-husband who is 5 years younger. We were married for 40 years and he divorced me. I was the bread winner, the cook , cleaner, mom, all of it, for that time, because he was sick part of that time and lazy the rest. Finally I had had enough and got a new boyfriend. I was 64 and he was 39. His girlfriend at the time was somewhere between 18-22. He dropped her when he met me. We were together for three years and then the thing just sort of ran its course. He looks his age (now 42 and me 67) I look like a good 67 which is still not 39. I have a retired Oral Surgeon who has multiple multimillion dollar home and a sports center on the ocean who wants to date me. I am no beauty, and I am not interested in caretaking anyone, young or old. I don’t have cats or a dog–I lost custody of the dog in the divorce. I am fairly poor now and making it just barely and I don’t care–I am making it. I read, write, play music, go out , dance, work out at the gym, ski and mountain bike. I am no freaking beauty and never was. While men may be attracted to 20 year olds, have you ever hung out with a 20 year old? They are boring. Sorry, but it is true. Most 20 year olds just do not have enough life experience to not be boring. And their taste in music sucks, they love cartoons and video games, have terribly small vocabularies and are just plain ignorant about most things even if they hold advanced degrees. Not all of them, but many of them.. I have been talking to a number of men, had sex with a few, and it seems to work. I don’t want to live with any of them. The youngest one wanted me to move in when my life was having problems. I said no, and got through them myself. Also I can get almost any many I want with my mind. As long as you don’t have a cardinal sin (like being obese) it isn’t that fucking difficult. You can use the art of seduction. It isn’t very difficult to seduce a young guy–they are pretty easy. Read Seductress (if you all can still read) by Betsy Prioleau. It is a great book. It explains a lot about what real sexiness and attraction is–it is not looks. If you are a sexy woman it doesn’t matter what you look like (except obese) or how old you are. You can get a man if you want. The problem is that most men are stupid boys (talk about cats being dumb?) they really are not able to hold your attention long. And yes, women like sex. I love sex, but not if it is boring or the man is a boy interested mostly in proving himself. Shit there is always viagra if the man is older. WHo cares? It is a damn tool. If you like sex, you like intellect, you like a healthy fit lifestyle, life shouldn’t be just about looks. If some manchild/boy/man dumps you for a 20 year old? Big deal. He will be back , bored as shit, and you will have moved on. ANother good thing about being older as a woman. You don’t “need” a man at all, but if you want one, you don’t have to “own” him. You can have your own life and your own place, and see him when YOU want to. People have biological desires. Women have them too. Men are just more visual than women for the most part. Women are smarter. So men let the tits and ass and skin of a 20 year old override what they actually want in favor of what their dicks want. It usually doesn’t work out well for either person. Sometimes. But for child rearing age you need two parents. So deal with it. Do your jobs. Get a prenup, if you stay at home and as that Iown you dude says do your job? It will not count towards social security even medicare when you hit 65. So make preparations in case he divorces you or you want out after the kids are grown. Other than that? Do what floats your boat. When I was first with 39 he called me grandma once when we were fucking. I said, okay fine, lets go out to the club and see which one of us is more able to attract a decent , and younger partner. Hands down I kicked his ass. It is not that hard to do. You do NOT have to be a beauty queen or young. Really, don’t buy into this. So what if men “desire” a 20 something. If you want them, there is a way to get them. The real problem is that there are not that many worth getting. So if you just want to get laid, go for that. That i really easy. Just make sure you do what is necesary to not get an STD. And as for tall? I hate tall as a rule, . I like men the same size as me. I don’t care about rich either, or formally educated. I dont’ care if they live in a trailer or a mansion. I want a man who is creative, funny, likes sex, ad who likes me. Otherwise, yeah, I would rather have a cat, and yeah sometimes I think they are smarter and much better looking. As for sex., men all think they are so fucking good at it especially going down on you. Ha ha ha ha ha, Most of them are terrible and all you can think is please don’t give me herpes and stop drooling down my ass please, and hurry the fuck up, and it is much easier to get off yourself, but the intimacy of someone trying to have sex with you is fun, so we put up with it. And Yeah, I know what to do. I may bot have a young great body, but I have never failed to make a man get a pretty good hard on for me. So, all this shit is just for the masses. We are all individuals, and women? don’t listen to this drivel. if you want a man, younger or older or whatever with a little seduction? you can have probably most men you want. SOmetime I even like the young ones myself, but then the boredom kicks in really fast and I want someone who knows who Coltrane and Davis are. I want someone who likes the Rolling Stones and Motown and can do the bump and grind in the dark to vinyl.

      • jab7168 .

        The guys that are younger are just using you for practice sex. Women are the guardians of sex, and men commitment. Have any of these men committed to you?

        • ssohara

          what is this practice sex you speak of? I don’t have sex with men I am not committed to… Like I said, I was a virgin when my ex-husband and I got engaged. So these guys cannot use me for a booty call. One of them (who is 42, 8 years younger than I am) actually wanted to be committed. I was the one who broke it off when things started to get too serious. That is just part of the dating process – you go out with a guy for a few dates to have fun together and to discover if there is compatibility. Another guy who is 10 years younger invited me on a back packing trip. He knows we might kiss and cuddle but no sex. I think these guys just like having a nice, feminine woman in their lives. Now would they marry me? I have no idea, though I think the 42 year old was seriously considering it. But they are not using me for sex.

          • JaneWilder

            I think sometimes people who like each other and are attracted to each other have sex. They both like sex and so they do it. I am a woman who likes sex. I wouldn’t like it with just anybody, but if I were in a relationship I would like it and , I would never ever want to get married. I am 67 and like being single and having boyfriends.

          • ssohara

            and you know what… we are different and that is OK! No judgment here!

        • ssohara

          And to be honest, while it was flattering and fun to go out with younger guys, the guy that I am thinking I might get serious with is only 2 years younger than I am. Like me he has a lot of energy and stays active, but we have more in common than someone who is 10 years younger.

          But I am taking my time and not rushing into anything. Even though I really like sex and miss it, I am not going to jump into a commitment until I know we are really compatible. But it has been a whole lot of fun to have younger men take me out dancing, hiking, to nice restaurants and music venues, to play board games and museums… I have had a great time!

        • JaneWilder

          practice sex for 3 years? After they already are in their late 30s with grown kids? I don’t think so. (Not that some of them couldn’t use a little practice) And what does being committed mean to you? It probably doesn’t mean the same thing to a woman in her 60s who already played house. She most likely wants a different kind of commitment, one where the man is honest and doesn’t give her a disease. How old is the oldest woman you ever had sex with? I mean really?

      • Jane

        Thats what im trying to state here its the same for me. I looked amazing in my 20s but hardly had men around me this is not the case now and im over 50!

        • JaneWilder

          me too. I am 67 and doing just fine thanks. Seduction is an art. It can be learned. You can get who you want if you want. Most 20 year olds get boring pretty fast “hot” or not.

      • Iown You

        You’re simply reaping the short-term rewards of a dating scene that has all but died for most men. What you’re getting was never possible pre-80’s generation, because women weren’t as picky then, but as women’s upward mobility increased their dating desires became increasingly unrealistic along with it. This has left many men out in the cold and scrambling desperately for options. One such option is the stock of older women who messed up their dating lives and either couldn’t snag a husband or ran their husband away one way or another.

        No offense, but no man in his 30’s is going to settle down with a 50 year old woman. He will have sex with you, he may even date you for a while, but it won’t last, he will bolt when a younger option comes along.

        • ssohara

          Well, since I am not having sex with them and they are still asking me out… and the guys I would consider for a long term relationship are the ones in their 40s and 50s. As I said (did you read my original post?) I was a virgin when I got engaged and I still believe in those moral values. I don’t even kiss a guy until I trust him and that may not happen until after several dates.

          I am picky, but not in the superficial sense. I am looking for someone who has a kind heart, good moral values, smart, interesting and a good sense of humor. I don’t really care about how much money he makes (as long as can support himself) or how good-looking he is or what kind of car he drives. I do care about how he treats other people and whether or not he respects himself.

          I am having more fun dating now than I did when I was in my late 20s.

          • Iown You

            A woman in her 50’s can’t be too picky though. Even a woman in her 50’s who looks as good as a 50 year old woman can look is still… a 50 year old woman.

          • ssohara

            Oh, we can be plenty picky. The thing is, a woman in my age range has a full life. We have friends, work, etc. While having a partner would be nice it is not a necessity. Older single women do quite well on their own. We don’t feel the pressure of our biological clocks ticking, we are comfortable in our own skins… for myself, I am feeling emotionally secure and content. I like dating because it is fun but since I am not desperate for a relationship, I have no anxiety about it.

            And it was funny, I thought back to when I was in my mid-20s… I remember there was this 40 something guy who I had shown an interest in, but he was much more into his 40 something gf … when I met her I understood why. She was charming, funny, bright… the wrinkles and so on were not an issue for him. I remember another guy friend, when he was in his 40s we talked about that and he said as long as a woman took care of herself the mental and emotional stuff made a woman his own age more attractive to him. He was an engineer with a six figure income, he married a woman who was actually a year older, and they are very happy together.

            Not all men are penises with raging hormones, some actually do have more dimensions to them. And don’t forget, when it comes to the purely physical, women prefer younger men too. The dancers at Chippendales are not pushing 50…

        • ssohara

          Also, I did not drive my husband off.

          My point was simply that age isn’t a reason for a woman to be discouraged. I mean, sure, if you spent your whole life drinking and sleeping around then you might not attract a potential marriage partner. But there are men in my age group (45-55) who don’t want more children, but who do want companionship. Compatibility is pretty important and men in this age range are less ruled by their hormones.

          I think it is harder nowadays to find what I would consider a decent person since the culture has changed. I was never into sleeping around and I don’t want a player. Guess what, though, the guy I want is also looking for someone like that!

          Recently I found someone who might be the right one for me. He is 2 years older (52) but has kept himself in good shape, and I think we can enjoy life together. He likes to scuba dive, ski, cook, travel… he’s well read. We can talk for hours and laugh a lot. It is a mature, healthy relationship and we are taking our time, no rush…

          Men crave feminine energy in their lives. If you are a feminine woman, you can charm a man.

          • Iown You

            But they crave it from a young woman. You’re probably taking this as disrespect but it’s not. You know that when you were in your 20’s you didn’t even consider a woman in her 50’s as competition for you. The thought never even crossed your mind, and if it had you would’ve laughed at the thought. The thing is, you’re that 50 year old woman now.

            >>> Compatibility is pretty important and men in this age range are less ruled by their hormones.<<<

            Let a hot 25 year old slink around your man for a while giving up "get me" signs and find out what rules…

          • ssohara

            ??? Why would I be competing with a 25 year old? The guys I am dating (45-55) are looking to date women in their age age range. If they wanted to date a 25 year old, they would be dating a 25 year old.

            And I realize it might sound bizarre to you but self-restraint, self-control and self-discipline are actual qualities that some human beings possess. Not everyone is a skank or a player. There are men (and women) who are capable of being faithful in their relationships. I never cheated on my husband and as far as I know he never cheated on me. The guys I am dating now, if we get into a relationship, they know they will lose me if they cheat.

            I realize this may not be true in your milieu, but not all men just want sex. Some men actually value companionship, warmth, tenderness, etc. Some men actually want an equal (but different) life partner, not just a sexual partner. One of the guys I am dating is a European who has told me he adores me because I appreciate culture (we discuss classical music, literature, art) and he feels comfortable with me. He is a physically fit 53 year old man with a six figure income, I am sure he could get a 20-something if he really wanted, but like I said, not all men prioritize the hot bod.

            Besides, at least for some women, we are more sexually confident and relaxed as we get older. Some men might actually like that. Some men like not having to play father-figure to a young girl. Some men like not having to deal with the emotional drama and mood swings that many younger women have.

            If a man wants a one-night stand, obviously he is going to go for the hottest body but if he wants something long term then other factors come into play, at least for sensible men who think with something besides their little heads.

            Now if a guy is a 50-something who never got any action when he was younger because he was unattractive, shy or whatever, then I can get why he’d be focused on sex. Or if he really just sees women as sex objects and not anything more (in which case I don’t want him any way, the 25 year old is welcome to him).

    • Xehan Branch

      Wys

    • nath

      cats? the aging feminists I’ve known in my life are universally into anti-depressants and Prozac type SSRI’s.

      • JaneWilder

        I am 67 , feminist and into my life and friends and men and sex.

    • Matryoshkadollie

      Well if the men have your attitude, I’d rather have a cat lol

      • Jim Johnson

        you, and women like you did it to yourself. Cold, hard reality is a bitch, ain’t it?

        • JaneWilder

          most men are not like you–and shit, I would choose a cat over you too. But I have a ton of choices at my advanced age.

          • primetime2123

            you are living in fantasy land unless you are rich and buy everything for your men

    • me me

      Preach it brother

    • Matthew Rodgers

      Feminists are trying to throw away “looks” as sexually marketable qualities as well. Pushing the bbw bikini, and cougars are hot nonsense. They create shaming tactics, victimization arguments, and void all logic to try and induce this toxic mentality on younger men and rob them of their power and masculinity. Very sad. Many women do not realize that you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Life doesn’t work that way.

      I have this theory that feminists sub-consciously crave dominance like roses in the desert. I’ve slept with a couple of them, the more attractive ones, and when I establish strong dominance, they are mesmerized by it. They almost cannot control themselves. Problem is, I don’t find their attitude attractive and don’t date them anymore.

  • ToughStuff2012

    Looks only go so far. The naggy entitled want everything but bring nothing to the table mentality of a lot of American women is tolerable between the ages of 20-23. Past that, they need to have that rarer characteristic of actually being lovable in order to be attractive.

    • Edith D Thurman

      That I can understand.

    • Sarah

      Dear Toughstuff2012, do you have the rarer characteristic of actually being lovable?

    • Chris

      That’s total bullshit

      • Mark

        sorry dude its 14 up votes for ToughStuff vs zero to you….might wanna let this one go eh

      • jab7168 .

        How so?

  • barrywright

    Men want youth and beauty, women want a man with money and power, duh, it’s never changed so get over it.

    • Edith D Thurman

      I agree. But I will not get over it. Hell I won’t even deal with it. lol that’s my point. You only have to get over it, if you want to deal with the BS of it, I’d rather not. At least you are honest.

      • Crayven

        It’s cats time! 😀

        • Sarah

          Crayven really seems to like cats! My bf’s cousin and his gf have 4 cats. I have 1 because cats don’t really like each other and I didn’t want to subject mine to territory issues. Hey, how funny! that’s so similar to women! Guys, one reason why your gf or wife does not want to catch you even glancing at another women is because of territory! Women are something like cats. We don’t like to share territory and can get very territorial. To keep you gf/wife content, curb your glances. Simply make a point of looking away. It won’t hurt you! Improving your relations with your bf/wife will only improve your sex life. Trust=blow jobs
          Have fun! Be safe! Crayven, enjoy all your cats.

        • Aperson Inscarborough

          Do you really think you will attain anything meaningful in your life by banging one 20 yr old after another? If so, I feel sorry for you.

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            Trust me he doesn’t. He I simply trying to bait you into his dulusional debate.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I am deathly allergic to cats. lol

    • Tall Blonde

      I agree, unfortunately. But at what point, or if ever, will they be happy with each other emotionally and intellectually, that’s sad. It would be great to find a soulmate, but it won’t happen when the age difference is too far apart. Just nothing in common. Not saying it’s right or wrong, it is what it is

      • Aperson Inscarborough

        I dont know if men need or even want a soulmate. Most I have seen just want to keep it simple.

        • Anoni Mouse

          Souls mates are a lie women tell you so you don’t question them checking out the waiters ass.

    • Sarah

      wrong. Women can now have money and power so where does that leave men? Youth and beauty have become a state of mind and men that are still obsessed with women who would like to equally take advantage for a short while (the average short duration of a trophy marriage) for monetary benefit will not find happiness. Do these men interested in youth and beauty admit that happiness is their actual goal? Molesting/taking advantage of young women is not going to pan out I’m afraid.

      • primetime2123

        Too bad its mostly women who represent the poverty line.

        • bmiller107

          Right. Women with children who chose a bum to mate with.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Thats because older men are never a first choice for a woman.

    • PaisleyMoon

      I do not want someone with power and money, don’t judge everyone based on a few

      • primetime2123

        yes you do want that. you know why ? because you care about what the man does for a living, if he has a house, or a car, etc etc. that is a show a money. the man’s job and social status is a sign of his power. so yes you do care about that stuff otherwise you would never ask a man you are dating about that.

        • PaisleyMoon

          You sure know a lot about me based on nothing. You never spoke with me before. First of all there are women who spend their money on the man, do they care about his money? I am not like that, but I would want a guy who makes a decent living, he doesn’t have to have a lot of money. Just enough so that he can pull his own weight. My ex husband had investments and when he and I divorced, I only asked for what was my share. I could have gotten more out of him, the judge even advised I put the court case on hold because I could maybe get my share of interest on his investments and I said no.

          • primetime2123

            lol..you just proved my point. so yes you do care about a man’s status and money. all women care about this. decent living is about 100k for you probably.

          • PaisleyMoon

            You have comprehension problems and are simple minded! My ex husband was a housekeeper at a hospital, as was I! He had no status! We both worked full time and I always paid my share of the bills! I did not live off of him, so you don’t know what you are talking about! The only expectations that I had, were that he was responsible and had the ability to support himself!

          • PaisleyMoon

            Neither of us made anything near 100 k, you simple minded person!

        • PaisleyMoon

          My ex husband had a menial job when I married him, so I did not have high standards! Of course I wanted him to have a car-that is a necessity, what are we supposed to do, walk everywhere? I have a car too! He did not have a house, but we bought one together

        • PaisleyMoon

          Yeah, he is a housekeeper and I am so into status that I married him because he cleans toilets

    • Aperson Inscarborough

      That is not true. If that were true, young women would be drooling over pictures of Rupert Murdoch. You are deluding yourself.

    • barrywright

      No doubt most women don’t have photos of Murdoch on their mirrors. But the nest building instinct in women urges them to find a ‘good provider’ for their children, and that instinct goes far deeper for them than mere sexual attractiveness.

      • Aperson Inscarborough

        Well, I cannot speak for all women but that has never been the case with me. I have found that many men carry this opinion around, though. I will also admit that a man can get away with being less attractive because a woman will eventually love the mind and that can make up for a lot (within reason)…but initially, we are kind of the same. IMHO

      • primetime2123

        Most women don’t know who Rupert Murdoch is since his face is not on TV so he doesn’t have much status with women. Women know who Harrson Ford is and Im pretty sure women still like him despite being old.

  • kell490

    The woman’s face, skin, body all peaks early 20s same for a man woman get the attention some women age well some don’t. Look at kaley cuoco pictures age 20-35 can see a big difference.

    • primetime2123

      men do not peak early 20s.

      • Jim Johnson

        physically, guys peak about late 20’s, but that is offset by continued growth in status and wealth.

        Women peak physically in early to mid 20’s, but that is compounded by baggage. Guys do not want to provide for someone else’s children.

      • Jane

        A woman sexually peaks at 36

  • http://www.ptr91.com/products/PTR%20MSG%2091?id=11 Saint James Matamoros

    ??? Sure there are some attractive women in their 20s PHYSICALLY but nearly all of them are deer in the headlights clueless. I couldn’t date anyone younger than early 30s. I think if a woman takes care of herself she can be very attractive even in her 40s-50s.

    • Jim Johnson

      clueless….perhaps, but teachable. A girl gets set in her ways over time and become harder to mold. Take a woman who has been around the carousel too many times, probably with several kids in tow, and you are an appendage to her life, nothing more than a useful ATM. However, if she is young, her life will be your life, like marriage is supposed to be.

      • Lame Equis

        The whole carousel talk is straight from those PUA woman hating sites. If you met a wonderful woman, over 35 who you had amazing chemistry, lots in common, great sex and connection with, would you get rid of her because of her age? Sounds really dumb. Maybe you need to reevaluate yourself…. love a woman for who she is, not her age. There’s shitty 20 something year old women and there’s wonderful women of all ages. Generalizing will only limit you.

        • Jim Johnson

          If my wife were to get ran over by a bus, there are very few women 35 or older that I would consider if I weren’t already married. Two that I know come to mind, I have a good idea that both have maintained their virtue for all these years (still I would have to verify). But, I already have the number of kids that I want, and would not be looking to start a new family at this point in my life.

          The carousel is mentioned because the number of men she sleeps with has a tremendous impact (whether cause or effect) on divorce rates, satisfaction in marriage and trust issues. Stuff does not happen in a vacuum. But hey, if you feel like the best you can do is a 40 YO banged up slut with probably some kids in tow, please feel free to get them off the welfare line for the rest of us. As for me, I have better options.

          • lilith

            You’re an idiot. It’s very obvious why you needed to marry a virgin.

          • crackedlenses

            Incidentally, he’s happily married with six kids and looks to stay that way. Looks like a good deal to me.

  • Linda Jo Quinn

    Mr. Thompson has offered his true self. I rest my case. Laughing.

  • Chris

    I’m sick of articles like this, especially the last paragraph. Women aren’t even close to the most attractive / beautiful in their early twenties.. I have always, even as a teen, felt women in their mid-20’s, 30’s and 40’s are equally (and highly) attractive, physically and every other way, even a bit older if they stay reasonably in shape.

    Even when I was 20 I was much more attracted to somebody 27 than 20… I’m only 24 now and am more attracted to somebody in their later 20s than my age. And I don’t know who came up with the myth that beauty declines at some point, it’s just not true to me at least. It’s just annoying because I don’t know why a lot of guys think these things about women’s attractiveness but please take it from me that not all guys are like that..

    • Rhiannon Goguen

      Thank you Chris I hate this generalization also. It depends on how the woman takes care of herself. It makes older woman feel like they shouldn’t even try because we are apparently already spoiled milk beyond 30. We need more mature men like yourself that don’t see things so black and white.

      • Aperson Inscarborough

        I agree. I swear these articles are designed to make women hate themselves even more than they do already, thanks to the beauty industry. If we loved ourselves, the economy would collapse. Its also articles like these that bring the lower-caliber, mysogynistic men out of the woodwork, to comment.

    • primetime2123

      you are definitely not going to think that when you are in your 30s. trust me.

      • Jim Johnson

        Relax, he is just white knighting on his computer. Pathetic isn’t it?

        • primetime2123

          nah man he is 24, a young horny dude who will bang anything so old women still look appetizing to him. when he is 30+ those old women will be repulsive to him. little does he know.

          • Jim Johnson

            I’d admit that there are a FEW attractive women in their 40’s. But they were drop dead gorgeous in their 20’s, and they lived a clean healthy lifestyle since.

            As far as your comment, white knights are horny, isn’t that the reason they compromise themselves to save their fair maiden?

          • Lame Equis

            “Repulsive” geez you sound bitter.

          • Anoni Mouse

            Could be a response to not having a chance with hot chix. Go for the ugos at a higher hit percentage than trying to hail mary your way into a desirable girls inner sanctum.

    • smart water

      Its all because white people age like bananas. 33 year old East Asians will look younger than most 23 year old white girls blame your genetics

      • Anoni Mouse

        Asian women can look great for awhile, but when the spoil it is really quiet unwell.

    • Anoni Mouse

      There’s nothing wrong with being an outlier, but the majority speaks for itself through numbers like the study the article references. To most men, females peak in attractiveness around 20.

      Nothing wrong with going after the other age groups, it’s actually an evolutionary response. If competition is high, some will start to like less desirable traits so as to be attracted to a less competitve segment.

  • Zavadoot Vardarim

    Saying it’s “disturbing” just sounds like jealousy. Why is it disturbing? It’s biology, isn’t it? If without modern medicine, humans are expected to live to age 40-50 or younger, wouldn’t it make sense men would be attracted to a mate who is younger? The older a male gets, he’s still going to want to have babies with someone with the best chance at giving him healthy offspring, i.e., not someone pushing 40.

    Now with modern social norms, I think most guys past the divide by 2, plus 7 rule ignore their attractions to women that young, but it seems to make sense that they’d feel it.

    • primetime2123

      jealousy from old women.

  • Artorius

    I think people are getting upset over nothing. Men saying they find women in their early 20s to be most attractive isn’t saying that they find only women in their early 20s attractive.

    The article is also talking in terms of generalities, not of individuals. Yes, the average 20-year-old is more physically attractive than the average 40- or 50-year-old. But, individually, there are 40 or 50 year olds who are more attractive than many 20-year-old women.

    I don’t know why any of this matters, anyway, since 95% of all Americans are going to be obese in 20 years.

    • primetime2123

      you mean old women are getting upset over it. Men of any age and younger women accept this.

      • Linda Jo Quinn

        No young vital lovely woman wants an old man even IF he is still capable of fertilizing an egg.

        • primetime2123

          ummm no. men with status and money date those women not broke losers who live with their parents. the most attractive girl I have seen recently is dating a much older doctor.

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            There is something in it for her..money.

          • primetime2123

            status and money. all women want that in a man. all women wish they could get a doctor or a man with status.

  • Crayven

    what’s wrong with a “young woman” as a wife? You got a problem with that??

    • Sarah

      yes, if you aren’t also young along with your wife then, as a mother, but also young, I do have a problem with that.

      • Crayven

        Tough shit, lady.
        Get some cats.

        • diamonddame

          shut your mouth, you’re probably married to an old biddy as you bully females on the net. im 25, dated a 46 yr old at 19 until i was 23 and he was 50… he was too old for me after a point. and he didnt want to spend any more since he had to send his kids to college (wake up younger women are largely attracted to your lifestyle) and i begun dating more reasonable men (24-35)… if ure not attracted to your own age young or old, something is wrong or there is personal gain involved. i had daddy issues man. old men need to stop being so delusional, self gratifying and mean. you’re not more desirable than your female counterparts, you just do something for the sexy youths older women dont, spend that paper.

          • Crayven

            I am 34. She is 26.
            We get along great. We have two daughters : 2 years and 10 months respectively.

            When you were 23 you should look for a guy around 30.
            The guy who was 50 got lucky. You didn’t.

          • diamonddame

            here’s the point —->. here’s you—–>missing it completely. lol wifey didnt snag the brightest bulb did she?

          • Crayven

            Petty insults, lol
            Whatever you old hag. I am happy and you’re not ^^

            Eat shit

          • diamonddame

            oh you’re still talking? still at this? from 2 days ago lol. touched a nerve

          • Crayven

            bored at work – i enjoy trolling retards 😀
            ( that’s you btw )

          • XT!

            The irony here is too funny.

          • Crayven

            don’t remember asking for your opinion, crawl back under your rock.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            8 years is not much of an age difference. Will you dump her when she starts aging? Or pay for some on the side?

          • Crayven

            probably not because i don’t tend to jump from woman to woman that much. I stick for the long term.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            How will you find her attractive then?

          • primetime2123

            probably cause he dumped you for someone younger and stop being a hypocrite since you date one of those “creepy old” men.

  • Robert

    That’s a lot of complaining. I’ve seen plenty of women leave a guy because he doesn’t make enough money. Who wants to be with someone whose interest in staying with them only goes as far as they maintain a good income? That’s the reality for relationships with many western women these days and why have a deeper relationship beyond sex with someone who thinks of you first and foremost as a wallet?

    Further, most guys are more savvy these days then in the past with the internet and better access to information, and they see that women will hook up with bad boys and degenerate types, and but will eventually get tired of that and try to find a “boring” responsible guy to pay for their sh*t. Well today even “nice” successful guys are aware of this and many are not interested in having women like this for anything more than sex.

    Lastly, American women are so hostile towards men, entitled, and demanding, that they can be just plain unpleasant to be around, so men don’t want to have a relationship with a shallow, hostile, status-focused person. Make yourselves people men want to stay around and men will stay.

    Otherwise they will just want you for sex and if they didn’t need you for sex they wouldn’t want you at all.

  • Sarah

    wow, when I was in my early 20’s I had no idea! I was interested in guys around my own age. In fact, the guys I liked were always within 1-3 years of me. I recall some guy flirting with me on the train in DC who appeared to be 5-10 years older than me. He was attractive, but I averted his interest because he seemed too mature to me. One friend was into a guy around 30 and I thought their relationship was weird because he was so much older than us! I thought “yuck!, he’s too old for her!!” I thought he was disgusting and perverted. I’m now in my mid thirties and have a teenager (who I created with a guy only a few months apart in age from me). I’m 20 years older than my daughter, the often age difference of nasty older men and their money-loving trophy wives. I doubt my daughter would find a man her parent’s age as attractive, but if she does, he won’t last! I think her dad would make him suffer greatly! I know I would! I would find some way to ruin him! Disgusting! Bastard! I find it disturbing that we might share the same pool of eligible men so I’ve made sure to train her properly. I think that this is something people need to do to prevent young women from going for older men. These older men are hoping that these young women actually like them or love them. The truth is that the majority of trophy wives cheat because they don’t really love their husbands. I’m not judging them, Marriage should involve love not fakery. Women prefer men closer to their own age, not nasty old men. Old men aren’t nasty when they can stop pretending to be young, stop preying on desperate younger women and actually find the beauty of women their own age. No one will be impressed if you bring a 2000 graduate to a 1980 grad reunion. Most people will think there’s something wrong with you and quality women you want to date in the future will find your previously youthful choice intimidating and questionable. I’m super cute and in my mid 30’s but only want to date guys who are 7 years younger than me and 7 years older than me. My BF is 4.25 years younger than me. We’ve been together for 10 years. My baby daddy is 5 months older than me. We were together for 9 years. For happiness, stay close in age to your partner. Sure, she might be beautiful, but that’s because she looks like your daughter might have, had you had one.

  • Sarah

    It just occured to me that one reason why women might give up on themselves is that men so often spout that they think younger women are more attractive. As a woman, for a while you are happy because you are in that group and then after a while you aren’t. You start to feel incredibly depressed and deeply angry at men for thinking that way and using biology as an excuse even though as a women you’ve been denying biology’s demands for years. Culture asks that women behave in a feminine way but biology asks that we behave in a range that may or may not include feminine qualities. Men make excuses for the call of their biology but women have paid heed to disciplined ignoring of their own biological traits for centuries. It’s difficult to have sympathy. We women are looking at men thinking “we’ve changed, adapted and moulded ourselves for you for eons, going against our biology all that time and yet you can’t do this one little thing and not try to fuck little girls?” I do not think feminism is odd at all. The traits in the feminist movement that men do not like, men have brought upon themselves. YOU CREATE YOUR OWN REALITY 🙂

    • primetime2123

      thats not men’s problem. that is your problem.

  • lamrof

    There really is no incentive for men to marry Women anymore, specially in the west. Marriage has become a dangerous trap for men. I was invited to a weeding of one of the son’s of a close friend. I declined and told the reason like it is. I can’t celebrate the demise of a young man who otherwise has a wonderful productive life. Marriage would turn him into a miserable deadbeat weight on society in 10 years.

    So if we don’t marry them what is there to look, specially at older women? Nada !

  • Dippshtt

    It’s pretty simple, actually. Most women become fat slobs after 25. There’s nothing wrong with older women, but to increase your chances of finding a women who isn’t taken and looks fit whether or not they work out, you have to go down in age. Just be aware, if they don’t have healthy habits, they will indeed turn into a fat slobs.

    • primetime2123

      women fade badly around 35 because they were designed to shut down reproduction early in life. So no reason for men to find them attractive when women can’t even reproduce. Men’s reproductive systems never shut down and never go through a menopause type process that women do. So it makes sense for them to look at biologically feasible women since men can still reproduce at any age.

      • Linda Jo Quinn

        Two letters for the abbreviation since you can’t handle the truth..E.D. meds.

    • Jim Johnson

      Let’s see…..a traditional, virtuous, good looking woman who keeps herself in shape, that manages to stay single past 25, despite wanting to marry……… Those kind of girls don’t exist. They will be snatched up at 18-20. Hence the term “unicorn”.

      • Jane

        I am that woman I still have not married and I am 50 now.

    • Jane

      The man i date loves my curves im 5 foot 9 and 170 and fit…and i lo9k 10 years younger…

  • Mike

    Of course men find 20-23 year old women attractive. Shocker there. Their bodies are fully developed and they are prime for breeding. Face it. We’re mammals and things like intelligence and world views might be important too but when the animal brain takes over men are looking for clear skin to show a lack of disease and the basics like a round butt and ample breasts to feed the babies with. We’re hard wired that way. Its not just men either. INSTINCT. Humans have it too. Ive seen I don’t know how many otherwise modern women hit the age of 27-28 and go into baby frenzy and start bedding the first stable job guy they can find. Part of what makes us so successful as a species is our strong instinct to breed and we give it almost no credit.

  • nathan chisholm

    Im serving a cheeses board later and was wondering if you would like a whine with that?

  • AlbanA

    I am not surprised at all. But I don’t care as I am married also in my 30s.

    • Jim Johnson

      The thing is, for those of us men who are happily married to a decent moral woman are more than happy to look past all that. Sure she isn’t as physically attractive as when she was in her 20’s, but our relationship has grown past that. It takes time, time that some woman who decides to fritter away her youth riding the carousel or chasing after the mighty career does not have.

      • AlbanA

        Very true. None of us look the same as we age. I think these days is a lot harder for woman to age them man.

        • Jim Johnson

          “These days is a lot hard for women” I would agree. Women are far more susceptible to the feminist lie that she can have it all. Once looks fade and men stop thirsting after her, cold reality sets in. Guys on the other hand are valued for their resources, something that increases with age.

          • AlbanA

            Depends on a woman. So far I am aging much bette them my husband. I have given birth to 3 kids and look pretty ok. My husband is a lot bigger then me. He even jokes that he was the one having kids not me.

          • Jim Johnson

            Sounds like you did it the right way. I was referring to the career girls and those who fritter away their 20’s trying to live the adventure.

      • Mark

        I agree, I spend a lot of time in Ubud & Thailand & it never ceases to amaze me how many women I meet 28-35 yo trying to “find themselves” or “figure things out” after realising the corporate career cubicle is actually harder than it looks on TV & playing hop a dick isn’t as “empowering” as it once was. Why they open up to me I have know idea? then they try to latch on preaching “Iv’e grown” or “Im not that girl anymore” lol… If they were honest it would be “look, iv been brainwashed, im burnt out from my work, iv slept around alot, I think I want kids but not 100% sure, theres so much pressure on me from society on what I should/shouldnt do… Im a mess… Hmm I think I quite like you, one more hookup won’t hurt”
        Then if I go there, im the asshole for giving her want she wants but not giving her what she wants or worse, she follows me around for 2 weeks talking about feelings, the 4 hour work week, how to start an amazing online business & trying to get me to watch sunsets… FYI its my observation the only reason why a man watches a sunset is that hes a blogger, hes fishing, hes trying to get laid with a new girl or hoping he will get laid with his current girlfriend. Not attending a sunset with your girl is the quickest way to a reverse spooning that night….just my observation

  • Aperson Inscarborough

    I have actually read and watched quite a bit about what goes on in Thailand. I see old, white, saggy, often overweight and below average looking men with girls who look 12 (but are not 12, of course lol). As a woman, I find it highly disturbing…but it is disturbing to me because I cannot begin to imagine what is must be like for a young girl to be with a man of that age and looks. How must she feel when she forces herself to sleep with him…to let him touch her body? I am middle aged and even I cringe when I imagine being with a man like that. And I really dont mean to offend; as an Asian myself, my heart goes out to the girls.

    I also would like to know….from some of the different sort of forums I read, there are different sorts of men; men who say they genuinely love their wives and even though they sometimes will fantasize about other women, they still are very much attracted to their aging wives. Are these men somehow deluding themselves? Are they all “beta” as you might label them?

    • Mark

      Reading about it alot is one thing, being in the ground is another. Anything you watch or read is designed to provoke a preempted reaction, what they eyes see & ears hear the mind will believe…We are looking at this from 4 different prospectives, mine, yours, the younger girl & the older man. You cannot apply social approbium to another culture unless you understand it, feeling pity for a girl who is being touched by an older man is a reflection of what you think & feel not her, she may or may not feel the same, but what if she liked it? would you still have a problem with it?
      As for men still seeing there wives as attractive you may be confusing beauty with attraction, a girl might be hot but not attractive … i think all men appreciate beauty but that does not mean we will act on it… With time comes sentiment. Also in the age of divorce & us men getting shafted some guys just play the game. If we have a annoying pain in the ass wife who doesnt want sex & a young hottie showers us with attention… you could have a problem.
      Betas?? I dont believe in that, sounds like redpill crap. Those mens rights fellas have some solid points but they lose me with the us vs them crap…which makes them no better than the femnazis.
      I learnt this game in the military during behaviour training courses.

      • Aperson Inscarborough

        ok you make some valid points and you are clearly very intelligent. so…if old men can be totally happy with a very young girl who in most cases doesnt even speak their language. does it mean that the only thing important to a man is looks and sex? do men secretly want to be in a fatherly position in relation to their partners? are men really fulfilled having meaningful conversation with their male friends and coming home to a pretty face and that’s it? maybe that is it, I dont know.

        • Gr8 1

          Not to interrupt or interject here but think about the question you just asked; a man can be completely happy with a woman from another country, culture and have limited lingual communication and be more than content with her as opposed to some trick here in the states.

          Also, looks and sex are important to any man. Isn’t money and security important to women? Why are women’s standards for a guy praised but a mans standards for a woman deserves shame?

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I think gold diggers are pretty frowned upon everywhere. I cannot relate to this because I have always dated down, perhaps due to self esteem issues.(well, down money wise not necessarily looks wise). I honestly dont think money is all that important to a woman…not any of the women I have known. But I dont move in the typical circles.

            There are many ways other cultures have tried to solve these sorts of problems…there is polygamy, for example. What do you think of this? This way, a man can have variety while children are still raised in a family setting.

          • Gr8 1

            Polygamy doesn’t interest me. I don’t want one wife. How would I fare with 6?

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            LOL. ok so i am on a dating site and there are several older men who say there are looking for women who would be considered age-appropriate. Many of these men would seem desirable in that they are atheltic, intelligent, perhaps well-off, etc. What sort of men are these, in your opinion? Clearly they do not have low self esteem..or at least it doesnt seem like it. Why arent they trying to date much younger? I mean probably more men on those sites are trying to do just that, I dont know. But what is different about these men who are looking for women in their age range?

          • Mark

            Sorry to butt in but can I suggest that you concentrate on what you need to do to make yourself a more marketable proposition & stop thinking about what men are doing…if they want young hotties then leave them be, go find men that arn’t like this if there is any & direct your attention there. If you cant find any guys who want you for you then perhaps consider looking at the reality of the situation & taking action, we are entitled to nothing & the world owes us nothing.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            lol of course I will. I just like to explore the behavior of men. I have always found their behaviours a little hard to understand. I typically don’t have a hard time attracting men, I think because I am petite, small boned, have a high voice, and girlish qualities. But even this I find disturbing.

          • Gr8 1

            You have to specify what is age appropriate. That’s very broad. Lol. What kinda men are they? I’ve no idea haha. But may I ask, why are you on a dating site 😉 plus as Mark said, what are you bringing to the table? You’ve mentioned what these men are offering.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            lol of course you may ask. I joined because I wanted to see how much truth there was too all these articles i read about middle aged men only wanting women in their 20s. I wanted to see if there were a good number who were looking specifically for women within 5 – 10 years of their age. What I am bringing to the table is irrelevent to my question. I asked ….why are these men not like you? What is different about them, do you think?

          • Gr8 1

            Why are those men not like me? Lol. Because I’m Gr8 1 and they aren’t. Duh

        • Mark

          I cant speak for every man just myself. I personally compartmentalise my life, I wasnt raised with TV & use little social media so I don’t have the same subconcious brainwashing as many of the populations I have different friends whom i discuss investing/business opportunities, we talk relationships, art/design, politics, military etc….I do not want or require just one person who can fulfill all those roles. Thats why I cant understand some dumbass girls who want the total package.. strong/vunerable , masculine but in touch with his feminine side , can fight but is not aggressive…. Sounds like hollywood/cosmo bullshit to me…How about you get all touchy feelings with the girlfriends & leave being a man to us.
          My future wife will be someone whom i get along with & enjoy sex with… If it all goes pear shaped and I end up 50yo with hot young non english speaking girls then so be it, i get part of what i want, young tight booty & the rest gets taken care of by my social circle…
          I dont care what people say i care what they do, asian girls iv dated tend to not talk much like we do in the west because they have a different thought pattern, how ever they are very symbolic eg like to make sure you have a good meal, you are sexually satisfied etc in turn I do little things for them that are important to them… communication is not just about words.
          Not sure about being fatherly but id say its more to do with wanting to be respected & lead…protective instinct perhaps. At the end if the day, i go with my instinct, not my stupid feelings, my instinct… it says young is hot & desirable, older girls are friends only & great sex outweighs conversation if I can get it elsewhere. If i can find a woman who has it all, then il be even happier, but i dont hold out for fairytales

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            ok fair enough. but if you think Asian girls dont talk a lot, you have not known many Asians lol. If anything, they talk 100 times more

          • Mark

            But not about anything meaningful…im not interested in what celebs are doing or taking 100 selfies then discussing which is the best one to post… I do know one that is into investing but shes definatly the exception not the rule lol

      • Aperson Inscarborough

        Just out of curiosity, if you have a similar aged wife who keeps herself fit, does all the anti aging stuff within reason, and is not naggy but a kind person who retains a youthful attitude, would it be that hard to stay with her? I mean…is it really THAT horrible for a man to not be with a 20 year old if it takes a lot of extra effort?

        • Mark

          Im assuming you are asking me what I myself would do as I cannot speak for others, but if I have actually married the woman then it means she has satisfied the ‘tick list’ ie never been a tinder girl, has not slept around, likes to cook, is pleasant to be around, prenups or assets offshore etc then yes l think all would be fine… As long as im still attracted & my wife goggles are in place before the sag happens all is good… If she ends up a Jaded hardened old bag then the 20yo on the side will start looking very viable. The worst thing I believe that can happen to a woman is not physical aging its mental, becoming jaded. Ever wondered why most guys with options dont want to wife up the 26-30yo ex club hoe whos been rolled bolled & assholed & is angry at men? Jadedness. On top of that who wants to pay full price to pay for wedding & house when everyone else had her best years for free….well thats what I told my ex…..Bare in mind women can leave men for the same reasons, the difference lies in how we deal with it.
          Anyway, most men couldnt be longterm with a 20yo unless shes smart or doesnt talk…. hearing OMG & I was like this & she was like saying like 20 times in one sentence is a sure fire way to ensure we only stay cos of her tight body hence how they too end up like the ex club hoe…& the cycle continues

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            jesus all this talk about women as if they are appliances. why do most men on here sound like narcissists? we are PEOPLE

          • Mark

            because we are a faceless strangers on a keyboard, its far easier to be a realist online than in person even tho im the same in person. We are no appliances we are commodities, when you apply for a job which department do you submit your resume to?… HR = Human resources. You are a resource & so am I. Does a man have high value if hes short & unemployed? vs a celeb or CEO? Does a fat aging ex party girl with daddy issues have high value vs young hottie who is of sound character from a good background?
            We all have a measured value, employabable economic/tax value, sex value, partner value, friend value, parent value…Just because you don’t see or like it that way doent mean it isnt there. Dont hate the player just learn the game. To me life is a game, I learnt the rules & play to my strengths.

          • Mark

            True we are people but we are also faceless strangers on keyboards & its far easier to say the truth of what you truelly think as opposed to real life face to face unless you are like me & am this way in person also. Your peeps closest to you care about you as a person… The world & nature does not.
            Women arnt appliances, they are commodities just like men. Like it or not we all have a measurable value, sex value, wife/husband value, taxable citizen value, employee value, military fighting value, friend/best friend value. Just because you dont want to see it doesnt mean its not there.
            If you want a job where do you send your resume? HR, whats that? HUMAN RESOURCES. So what are we to the world? A RESOURCE. & RESOURCES have a measurable value.
            Who has higher value here: Nice Man whose 5’6, uneducated, minimum wage job, lives with parents vs nice man 6’3 educated, highly paid, owns his own home?
            Another: Woman over weight 40yo, burnt out, divorced, has kid, educated works long hours in corporate vs woman 25yo graduate, no kids, good shape, happy go lucky has work life balance.
            Now i didnt specify what kind of value. But who sounds like the better deal if you were looking for a partner.

            Also not every man thinks like me so dont take my opinion as the “truth”

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Yea….I never thought about it like that but I know you’re right about the value business. I’ve just never chosen my partner based on income but I see what you are saying.

          • Mark

            Im guessing its because they are being bluntly honest which is easy to do when you are just a person with a keyboard as opposed to in real life were they would have no voice & be silenced & shamed as being sexist misogynists for giving an honest direct non politically correct opinion.

          • Mark

            Im guessing its because they are being bluntly honest which is easy to do when you are just a person with a keyboard as opposed to in real life were they would have no voice & be silenced & shamed as being sexist misogynists for giving an honest direct non politically correct opinion.

          • Mark

            Im guessing its because they are being bluntly honest which is easy to do when you are just a person with a keyboard as opposed to in real life were they would have no voice & be silenced & shamed as being sexist misogynists for giving an honest direct non politically correct opinion.

          • Gr8 1

            Look at it from a male perspective though. We are ‘success objects’ to many women. The first question they ask when they meet you is ‘what do you do’ money is earned but a woman’s physical attributes are just a matter of the luck of the draw.

            There are pros and cons to everything. Looks depreciate over time while money appreciates over time. Men are tired of the entitled attitude many women have these days. We are expected to bring so much to the table while women think just bringing pussy to the table is enough. Then they complain about being objectified when they objectify themselves.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I guess but its upsetting cuz I have never looked at relationships that way. Not even a little. The one guy I dated who happened to be from a very wealthy family….I ended up feeling uncomfortable the entire time lol. But then I have never been dirt poor either. I have always dated for personality first and looks second…but yes, looks do matter no one can deny it….and I guess youth is more beautiful. But these articles always make it seem like anyone who is older has no hope or they need to do something drastic or something. I have read studies that show that although men are attracted to young women, they are also attracted to older….and most men end up sleeping with women near their own age (probably because of lack of opportunity but still…they do do it). And it can’t suck that bad if an older person still has a good enough body. I mean…that just wouldn’t be right. I know young women are more fertile and whatnot, but throughout history, its not like older women were left alone to die after a certain age….they still had sex, too. Do you really see recent pictures of Christie Brinkley or Julia Roberts or Halle Barry and think gross? I mean….men who think that’s gross….well men who are close to those women’s ages….that is something wrong in the head.

          • Gr8 1

            It’s not that there’s no hope but they do have to make adjustments. What happens is women’s expectations and standards rise as their value decreases. No other resource on earth works this way. No man of means would settle for a woman his age when he can afford younger and hotter.

            The women you mentioned while they have aged gracefully, in Halle’s case, she can’t stay married. Every man has run away from her. We will bang older women we just won’t commit to them.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Halle Barry clearly has psych issues..plus she chooses very well-to-do, good looking males. Brinkley’s husband cheated with an 18 yr old. Only Julia Robert’s man is still with her. They have kids though. And I think Julia Robert’s husband is 1 year younger even.
            Ok….now….why do you think that a womans demands increase as she ages? Wasn’t she always this way but perhaps a man notices bad things more because the looks fade and he is looking for a way out?
            If a man is attentive to the woman, I don’t think the naggy stuff happens.
            So….you guys have the upper hand in the relationship then because looks are more important to you than to the woman and the woman is far more attached to you than you are to her…is that it? Cuz women get more attached basically is what it comes down to…so once there is sex, automatically the man holds all the cards.
            So the solution for a woman, then, is to marry a much older man or be super nice and hope he doesn’t leave anyway, or marry someone undesirable.?
            I just don’t understand what happened to love in this equation. When a man says to his elderly wife, “youre still the prettiest girl I ever saw,” etc…why cant it happen that way? Is that all fake made up stuff for TV? Does he really wish he was banging a 19 yr old?

            Oh and also….when you say you would bang older just not commit….do you mean older than you or older in general…. I think you are still young but if you were like 45, do you mean you would bang a 40 yr old (whom you might still consider “older”) but not commit?

          • Gr8 1

            I think the reason a woman’s standards increase as her value decreases is that life kicks her ass and NOW she realizes the better deal may have been the nice guy all along but her youth and beauty were wasted on guys like me lol.

            The stuff you’ve mentioned, the lifetime movies they show on Saturday are fantasy land bs. I’m 33. I date 12+ years younger and older. But I’m in shape and have money. You are learning; after women give up the cookie, the man is in the drivers seat. But I feel I’m in the drivers seat from jump.

            The solution for women is actually realizing what you’ve realized but realize it 20yrs before you have.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I did that….rejected all kinds of nice guys…some are now composers and professors and published and whatnot. In fact, I can still date some now but do not.

            But that is due to bad parenting and lack of guidance. If men were better and more responsible fathers, females wouldn’t be so messed up, chasing approval from unattainable men.

            Your honesty about yourself is rather impressive.

            Its just happening so fast…I looked the same until I was 45…and then suddenly, seemingly overnight..it all changed so drastically…and its exponentially happening now…everyday I can see it more and more…and its not my imagination…its a rapid progression now until menopause.

            And whats more, I just recovered from a very long term illness. Its like waking from a coma and suddenly being old! I cannot believe how fast its happening! Its insane!

            My friends tell me to just relax…be happy and stop being OCD and reading these shitty forums and that there are all kinds of men out there….but I am insane and I keep doing it!

            Because my father was just one of these men!!! And all my life I have been trying to understand them

            Fk I need a team of shrinks

          • Gr8 1

            Lol. I’ve no choice but to be honest with myself and as a result I’m able to be honest with others as well. It’s not just the fathers fault for bad parenting. Let’s not absolve women choosing such men to be fathers. Many instances against a mans will. But I digress.

            You’re talking about what certain circles call ‘the wall’. The moment women realize their time in the sun has run out. That panic button starts being pressed and it sounds like an SOS lol. You’re fortunate in that you’re in your 40’s. I know women that hit the wall late 20’s early 30’s.

            Your story isn’t uncommon. I wasn’t born this way. I was a nice guy. Heck, I’m still a nice guy. But in my early to mid 20’s, I wasn’t having the success with women I enjoy today. I was called, sweet and all kinds of saccharine names. But I wasn’t getting a whiff of twat. So what did I do? Focused on myself and my goals. As I began accomplishing things all of a sudden women are noticing me. I start recognizing I’m being objectified for my money and status. My body, my knowledge, my time.

            I start traveling and gaining perspective. I used to have a photo of my ex as my profile. Not long after we ended I found this place. My comment history speaks for itself lol. While I may be a bit abrasive or mildly offensive, I dare say I’m also quite entertaining and educational.

            You yourself admitted you passed over nice guys. Why would a guy want that to happen to them? I’m offended when women see me as a potential ‘relationship’ type. I’m not that. I’m the guy that will fuck your brains out then send you on your way to enjoy your day. I’ll date you. We will have a blast. But there will be no commitment or obligation. Again, I wasn’t like this before. Women taught me how to treat them. I’m a product of you.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            lol hehe I cannot help but chuckle at the silliness of it all.
            in my case, my mother did not choose her mate…it was decided for her via arranged marriage and she was abused her whole life as a result.
            in any case, I was smart enough to never get pregnant at least. also, I waited a long time to give it up.
            it is true..i have held up pretty well for a long while but whats happening now is crazy.
            I am sure the strong women reading me now think I am totally pathetic but I am just being honest. I am not and have never been a strong, self assured, independent woman. I wish I was and I have tried my whole life but I am just not.
            and you are right..every single a-hole I have met says the same thing..they used to be nice until everyone walked all over them. the worst players I have met were the ones who got zero action in HS…they were the losers and then they flipped to the other extreme.
            but this pathology of wanting the unattainable…it cant be only women with shitty fathers that do this….because it is too widespread to be just that. it makese sense for women to want the alpha.
            healthier women can just resist and do the smart thing, I guess.
            ugh thank God at least I get to die at some point and all these paradoxes wont matter.

          • Gr8 1

            Those strong independent women you speak of and want to aspire to are more miserable than you are now lol. Trust me.

            Lemme clarify something; I’m
            Not a player. I’m a non-committer lol. The relationships I have had I’ve been a good bf. I’ve just adapted and have seen too much that any Romeo I have left in me is a ghost. I’m telling you, women today aren’t worth a damn. Not the ones in the states. They are parasites. They want to have it all. I say go for it. But you can’t be a ho in your 20’s then want to be a housewife in your 30’s. Only a sucker would pay a premium on something that used to be free for everyone else.

            It does suck if you are an old school person in today’s dating realm. I am lucky. I have two parents. I had two grandparents up until recently. So I know what and how things used to be. That way of doing things is over. I’ve accepted that. Truthfully, for me there are times I recall when i was with a quality woman and know that in another time, I’d have made her a kept one. But like you’ve said, I know myself. And I know in today’s age, there’s too much pussy out here being given away. And if I really respect this woman I’d rather leave than cheat.

            I know too many ppl married or committed and still have or are open to side pieces. Not me. She’s gonna do whatever she’s gonna do, why stress over it? But with this mindset you realize that you’ll never really know intimacy again. As a man living with this realization, time is always on our side. As you’re experiencing, women eventually want more. They prefer commitment. They just don’t make commitment a worthwhile endeavor nor do they open their eyes until it is too late.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            WTF I just wrote out a huge reply and its gone WTF

          • Gr8 1

            I saw it lol

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Maybe I can adapt too and become comfortable with open relationships.

            oh who am i kidding

            ok well maybe now, nicer men will become more appealing. i can already see it happening….but there are just fewer of them is all. well fewer ones who are desirable. maybe i can find one with some depth….you never know…..

            you said that the trade off is not knowing real intimacy….isnt that a huge trade off? i mean…you are still young but later, you will know that is almost all there is.

            but then you can just have that whenever you want it anyway. women wanting that are a dime a dozen

            what a horrible sad place the world has become

          • Gr8 1

            Exactly right. If I have say four women in rotation, what’s the rush or point of settling or committing to any one of them?

            Intimacy is overrated. Considering the price a man is asked to pay. Again, if things weren’t as they are today I could see the value in such practices back in the day. Men at least got services for their chivalry. You don’t date women so allow me to school you on that; while young and hot these chicks are the most entitled, spoiled self absorbed brats imaginable. Not until later when they lose the ability to manipulate men with their sexuality do they realize ‘oh shit, I’m alone’. Women get lonely easy. Because sex has dwindled in value commitment has become more valuable because it is so rare.

            Women can claim they can be just like men with their feminist clap trap. But when they reach your enlightenment they are hit with the reality that they have a time limit. As a man I must admit it is most satisfying when I see girls who used to be pretty bitches start hitting that wall. Then with kids in tow and a worn down chunky body come crawling to me with their arrogance as if NOW they see what a catch I am and think they actually have a shot. Gtfoh! It’s hilarious actually.

          • Jim Johnson

            I would completely agree, except the “it is satisfying” part. I suppose if you have a vindictive personality it would be satisfying to see over the wall women living a life of regret and cats. They have been caught up in the feminist lie, same as most people out there. While men are hurt from it in their youth, they pull through and have the advantage later in life. Women are more susceptible to the lie, and it has far longer and damaging consequences, even if it does give women the chance to take advantage of others in their youth.

          • Gr8 1

            For those who have been deceived I take no joy in them eating cat food. My satisfaction comes from the ones who thought they knew better, were entitled brats who thought this ride would never end; the ride being having guys pay for things etc. Then once they hit that wall they look back and try and reach out to that ‘nice guy’ from way back when. Arrogantly thinking he’s been waiting with baited breath for her inevitable return when she now ‘knows better’. Those women can go kick rocks as far as I’m concerned.

          • Rosie Bbawi

            don´t kid yourself you are as common and basic as they get.You are every idiot at the gym lining up and checking himself out by the mirror. You are a soulless narcissistic shell who will either end up in prison, with an STD or die alone…..or hey maybe even all three. Don´t worry my friend, it´s not our fault, it´s yours for manipulating, exploiting and toiling with the feelings of fragile women. We may hit a “wall” but we aren’t missing out on shit, that wall is a wall of protection from low life pieces of shit like you. I’ve been hot and it never garnished me anything other than attracting low life trash like you, there were no “nice guys” that I rejected. Get REAL. Oh and I have my own money, always have and always dated men poorer than me so now what? Ever considered the novel idea that some women may actually just want…l….lll….LOVE? Oh no you haven’t, because soulless narcissistic shells like you don’t know love. Enjoy your progressive decay….oh and don’t get fired :)….commodity!

          • Gr8 1

            Sigh. Here I was having an amicable discourse with a lovely woman and here you come with your overly yappy, sappy, horse shit. I’m far from soulless, I don’t have social media of any kind so narcissistic doesn’t really fit. If you were to say arrogant I may be inclined to agree with you. When I’m at the gym I’m focused. No time to take pictures. Why would I end up in prison? Why would I catch an std? Everyone dies alone dumbass. See? I actually addressed all of your trite tirade and feel dumber because of it.

            Now let me dissect you further like they used to do to frogs in science class. First I’m gonna take my tool and make a large incision; I’m guessing you’re slightly if not majorly overweight if your available dating options make less money than you do. And yes the wall is real. EspeciLly for the good looking women. The chubby chongas like Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall long ago.

            Fragile women? Lmao. I don’t really need to talk about this one as it seems you do a better job demeaning your gender than I do. Enjoy your love flakes.

          • Rosie Bbawi

            oh a gymrat? how fucking predictable. You would end up in prison most likely by taking your narcissism out to the streets, most likely raping someone and then getting caught….unfortunately invincibility was only your online delusion. STD, that’s easy.From getting sooooo much pussy and slipping off the condom so you can brag bout it to your buddies. Now let me tell you about the wall. One day your going to wake up and see that your protein binge left you looking dryer than a fucking raisin, your balls don’t sit right and tight anymore, theres hair growing out of your ears,ass nose(you name it) and you get fired from the awesome job that was to guarantee you all that “young tight pussy.” You’ll be sitting in bars staring down waitresses being that old disgusting weirdo that ends up going home with the “chubby chongas” you once mocked. as for myself, im in great if not perfect shape, got great genetics and actually take care of myself because I understand that times unkind to BOTH men and women. Oh and fragility is in no way demeaning, the senseless asshole who attacks a women’s innocence by taking advantage of her is the only POS I degrade. Thanks for the sparr btch….rrrr guppies got fangs!

          • Gr8 1

            Hmm. I think I remember dealing with an amoeba like you in the past. Very similar disillusions, fascinating.

            Again, I’ve never raped nor would I ever rape a woman. I only deal with women who want to fuck me and I’m always protecting myself and check myself every 4 months just to be certain because I am a bit of a pussy magnet. And I only deal with quality meats.

            Here’s the thing sweets, age comes to us all but men and women wear age differently. Reason? A woman’s value is her physical a woman’s commodity is her physical. The physical deteriorated much faster than what a man is valued for; his ability to provide, his guidance his knowledge etc. Which generally increases with age. Fortunately I’ve longevity genes and take care of myself as you can see. I’ll be bagging dimes into my 50’s I promise you that. And my money is quite nice and will only grow.

            I don’t take advantage of women. The women I fuck do so willingly. So again keep up your third grade logical and reasoning skills. Keep up with your dr. Seuss. ‘The cat and the hat will be the future for this brat’ lol

          • Mark

            Now this was entertaining, you’re man after my own dark heart.
            I see you hit a nerve, aint it funny how everyone says they want the truth… until its about them.
            Now im no red piller but the ‘wall’ thing they go on about is definately accurate.
            My ex 31yo wanted to “honestly” know why I wasn’t keen on marriage (after weeks of shit) my reply was ” Look Carly, il stick around but I aint paying for wedding, honeymoon & a mortgage for someone who gave away her best years for free to the half the town & now expects me to pay full price for being last to the party”…it went on a bit more but you get the gist… next thing you know im the asshole for being honest.. cant win… strange thing was she told her mother who sided with me… funny old world.

          • Gr8 1

            Lmao. No way am I paying a premium price for a garage sale item. I’m no red puller either but I’m not dropping dollars on broads for twat that used to be free for everyone else. No other resource on earth works this way.

            You are so right about honesty. But hey, they wanted to burn bras and shit. You can’t demand equality and also expect special treatment.

          • primetime2123

            Christie Brinkley is the only woman on earth that age that looks like that…lol..plus when men get older there testosterone decreases and only fertile women can give them erections…sucks for you older women but that is truth

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            well enjoy the viagra to get your limp and wrinkly dicks up cuz you die before we do ha. even hefner who fked 19 yr olds, needed viagra and still only managed to get it up infrequently. and he had a to pay the women for their suffering lol

          • Sam2

            Hey you’ve got three people on here telling you very similar if not identical messages. Try and understand that we have more experience dating women than you do. By the way I am separated from Mr. GR81 by a couple thousand miles and didn’t know who he was from Adam before getting on the Disqus. But he’s got a VERY similar experience with the lady folk as I do. By the way I’ve got a few years on him too. Now one of two thing is going on here, either it’s just a coincidence that three people on here who have never met each other have such similar life experiences, or there is a broader trend going on.

            Mr. GR81 at least would agree with me that it’s the latter. Today’ woman acts in a particular way. Which way is that? Well you’ve already been told about it. In my case you’ve shut me out because you think that I’m “Too hatefull” as if that has any bearing on the validity of what I’m saying. With the fella above you’ve essentially said that he dehumanizes women. The only one who’s voice you’re listening to is Mr. GR81. That great because that dude knows what he’s talking about. In fact I’ll tell you that whatever he says about this subject I agree with. I don’t even need to know what he’s going to say. To be fair he’s been on this board for a good while, as have I, so I essentially know where he’s coming from. But, either way he is also going to be saying the same message as me but in a more articulate and awesome way.

            Just think about what I’ve said.

          • Gr8 1

            Much appreciated.

          • Gr8 1

            Bless your heart. Couldn’t agree more.

          • Sam2

            Beautiful man just beautiful.

          • the_spiral

            I know you’re getting some hate here but I’m a woman and I agree with your worldview. You have summarized women quite accurately here…as far as men see them. Of course, *being* a woman is very different from what you describe. But you wouldn’t know that, just as I don’t know the experience of being a man. Hence, the divide we call misogyny/misandry/term du jour for something much older.

          • Mark

            I didnt know i was getting any hate? but thanks for the reply. I just call it as i see & experience it. My world view isnt particularly popular but the truth never is if it just happens to reflect a particular persons life with whom you are speaking that truth to at the time.

  • Aperson Inscarborough

    Thanks. It’s been eye opening to hear things from a male perspective. I honestly had no idea men were this unhappy and felt this attacked until I was introduced to the MGTOW movement. It goes a little deeper than just a-holes wanting to sleep around. Or at least I hope so lol

    • Gr8 1

      I’m glad you’re open to other perspectives. You’re right also in that many men are very unhappy. Just the fact that men would rather travel thousands of miles to find happiness with in many cases third world country women should be reason enough for introspection.

  • Tyler

    Just because you think a 22 year old woman is attractive doesn’t mean most older men actually ending up dating a 22 year old. When it comes to an actual relationship things other than looks matter but that doesn’t mean people stop liking a certain look. Its natural, there’s no reason putting a moral judgement on it.

    • Jim Johnson

      Dating material is not the same as marriage material. Women are sexually attractive clear until 35 or so. Guys will lavish them with attention, but what they won’t do is commit their lives to them.

      • Mark

        I explain this simple concept to any +30yo woman who trys to date me. The look on their face when the light bulb goes on is priceless.

        • lili

          Whoa! I am not american and I am 28 year old woman I never dated anyone because I was too shy, I am someone always happy and optimistic but after reading all of the replies you made me cry and lose hope I should just forget about love since he will leave me because i am 28 no matter how good i am to him 🙁

          • Mark

            Hey calm down, what have I said thats so bad to make you cry? You said you’re not american so you can probably be considered exempt from alot of the opinions I have. My opinion is based on observations of western feministic women. Im sure your fine just the way you are. No need to lose hope, maybe just learn to put yourself out there a bit more? I apologise if what I have said upsets you, Its not directed at you personally ok.

  • Detonat3

    How is this disturbing? It’s bleedingly obvious to anyone with half a brain and it’s how nature intended it.

    • Jim Johnson

      Yup, this is only a disservice to women who want to fool nature by saying they can slut it up for a decade without consequences.

      • Mark

        There is always a future cost for past pleasures… & decisions

  • Jim Johnson

    Let’s see if you hold this opinion in a decade……….tick tock

    • Tre”NoLove”Holliday

      Jim Johnson you are not valuable, you have issues to deal with and it’s no ones responsibility besides your own. Your going to die a lonely person, no one likes that kind of baggage and to be honest if I saw you around my family I’d kill you, I’ve done it before I’ve seen people like you date my females and you know what they were in a very unfortunate hunting accident, you pray you never cross my path, I kill for a living

      • Mark

        thats a bit extreme isnt it? I highly doubt you have done these things. Video game kills don’t count in the real world.

    • JaneWilder

      I am 67

      • Jim Johnson

        You are a prostitute.

  • Jim Johnson

    Lay off the porn and wanking, and you will have a new life in that department. I am 42, and quit all that a little over a year ago, along with working out. I tell you, I am waking up now with morning wood, pitching a tent at random occasions, etc. It is like I am a teenager all over again.

    • Mark

      haha way too much info… was just taking the piss towards the angry lady, im 36yo & am in the same position as you, the gym works wonders…being with a young hottie also plays a part in cracking a chubb haha

      • Jim Johnson

        I suppose I should have caught that. I’m married with children, the gym does help. Not just for me, but my wife, oldest son, and both daughters are now doing regular exercises as well. It pays dividends on having a healthy wife, and kids who will be able to properly attract when the time comes.

  • numbers_31_18

    It’s just instinct.

    A woman of 15-20 (depending on diet) has the highest chances of successful reproduction and getting a kid to the same stage. Men seek young women for that reason, despite whatever else they think.

    Ladies – you probably don’t know the torture we go through. Thinking of sex is something that consumes most of our processor power unless we really focus. Put any old guy in a shopping mall and you can bet that 80% of his CPU is devoted to scanning for young hotness, even completely at a subconscious level. It’s *not* a personality flaw, or some sort of pedo/creep issue. Unless the man is not healthy, he will be doing it, as it’s part of our nature.

    Women seek a combination of youth (health) and tribal power. Power first, which can be expressed in many ways, but typically enough power to ensure the safety of her offspring, then youth as a bonus — the alpha warrior/leader to increase odds of survival. So if the most powerful guy around is old, so be it. Why else would men be fertile their whole lives and women not? Do you think Trump’s wife would be around if he worked at McDonald’s?

    Though people don’t admit it, it’s just how nature works, and without those instincts we’d probably not even be here. As harsh as it sounds, women have eggs for sale and men compete for that. We’re animals, all.

    On the plus side, especially for ladies, we’ll have genetic interventions within 20-30 years to rewind the clock to whatever age you like. Your atoms are the same age as that 19 year old next door that your husband can’t get enough of, so it’s just a matter of rearranging them back to what they once were, or better. And for guys, well, we’ll have ageless artificial women, so will be able to keep out instincts busy and not piss off the humans!

    • Jim Johnson

      Yup, even when I am kicking axe at work, I still am thinking things like, “dam I got it together and what I am doing is gonna get me laid”.

  • lamrof

    LOL. That Jackass will regret it in no time. I saw a youtube vid where US American men of all sorts with lonely hearts looking for wives in Colombia. Black, White, Asian men and others, 30 to 65 years of age. They are told the women are mostly looking for status and better lives and are necessarily not looking for companionship. The guys seemed not to care, they pay tens of thousands of dollars, to bring them to the US. Some couples stay together for long, others are back at it in 5 years as the women get the feminist bite and change skin once they get their green cards. The guys are willing to take that risk though, just to feel the innocent feminine (not spoiled by a feminist venom) warmth of a Woman for few years.
    What does this tell you? that the US (and the west, specially the English speaking countries) are filled with Women (born in or migrated) which are spoiled by feminist laws and the culture created around it. You can’t touch the women here with a long stick for relationships. You can work with them in the work environment. relationships, NO WAY !

    • Mark

      I have a few friends who are divorced and have taken up foreign wives in Australia & seem happy but I have noticed as time goes by the women start to get a bit more demanding & aggressive, some more than others, which I can only theorise as being influenced by female coworkers & the constant bombardment of fem ideals pushed in the media, music, social media etc which on the surface isnt really a problem but from my military behavioral training background i know it has an effect on a subconcious primal level as much of the brainwashing uses certain words & phrases which has a cognitive effect whether you are aware of it or not. Just look at how effective advertising is, go open someones fridge or cupboards & you can soon figure out how suscepticle to subconcious messages they are.
      Personally if I were to get married to a foreign woman I would stay in her country, leverage my $$$, education & take advantage of the fact she would likely abide by the aprobrium of her culture being that shes unlikely to behave in a way that would bring shame on the family & social standing…..This doesnt mean i can behave like an ass & not value her but it will make it less likely that we will butt heads over stupid arguments like wage gaps etc …I have no problem if a woman wants opportunity, status in her community & resources… its natural for them to pursue this… its also natural for guys like me to want a young tight feminine hottie not a washed up 35yo feminist who suddenly realises she wants kids or worse a single mum.

    • Mark

      Food for thought… love & marriage as we know it today has not been around that long, marriage was once away to pool resources…in my opinion the word ‘love’ ie true white knight i will slay a dragon for you love has been a convenient money maker & way to romantisise war… There are industries devoted to it, music, film, food, holidays, military, literature, jewellery and more… now im not saying ‘love’ doesnt exist but can we atleast open our eyes to the “possibility” that it may have been used for reasons other than romantic coupling? Just as the mechanical clock of today as we know it today is a wonderful technology used to “tell time” as most would say, it is actually been far more effective for industrial purpose to organise labour & resources & religeous activity, without the clock we wouldnt have modern day capitilism…. I guess im just saying there are consequences & unintended consquences of any decision/action we choose to take … it just amazes me how so few people can connect the dots.
      The feminists have altered the dance between man & woman in the west…for good or bad only history will tell but what i do know is that im not waiting around to wife up a used up 30yo corporate lass whos played hop a dick & now has a ticking bio clock.

    • Mark

      Whoa….just spoke to one of the lads I used to work with and found out the guy i mentioned in the above post is now separated from his wife….its only been 4yrs lol….rumour has it hes now dating one of the young cleaners

  • Jacob Hunnicutt

    These comments are funny. We humans have such high opinions of ourselves and all our fancy BS.

    Don’t complicate this, it’s not that hard. Men like women at this age because this is when they are most fertile. It’s driven by Biology not chauvinism or nagginess or feminism or anything else you read in Glamour. This is just your upper brain telling a story while your lower brain runs the real operation.

    We are primates and a male primate, regardless of his age, gets his genes into the next generation most readily by mating with young fertile female primates. As many as possible. That’s why they appear more attractive to males.

    Conversely females are more likely to seek out males that offer not just fertility but stability and protection. Unlike a male they can only push their genes into the next generation once every nine months. They better make sure their offspring is well cared for and safe. An established older man often fits the bill better than the younger in this regard.

    In the immortal words of Eminem, “We ain’t nothing but mammals”

  • http://www.sprinklescentsations.com JusTheFacts

    Okay I know this article is old but im going to put my 2 cents in anyways . I found this article because I googled ” women look their best in their 40s ” and found this, the reason I was searching is because I had noticed alot of my friends and myself seem to look better now that we are in our 40s! I have NEVER run low on men who wanted to date me, even though I am married and have been for 30 years so I don’t think in reality this is true at all. I have had men chose me over younger women ! And I do NOT consider myself a raving beauty! I have had 3 children , I have signs of aging and so on BUT as a woman in her 40s I have matured , gained wisdom, learned to love myself anyways , gained a sense of humour , found my passion, found confidence , spirituality …alot of things a woman in her 20s and 30s are still looking for . Younger men desire these traits and older men admire these traits in a woman, but guess what? I am so much more mature and confident I really don’t care what a man wants I care more about what I want!

    • Jim Johnson

      “I have never run low on men…”
      “I am married…..for 30 years”

      So, is your husband fine with you flirting, or are you just talking out your rear?

  • Sex Kitten Party

    Men are pathetic and disgusting, no seriously. People can argue it’s socialization that makes men more prone to sexually assaulting/harassing/violating women in societies where men are historically the empowered gender. But there are plenty of cultures out there where women are the leaders and men are subservient. You don’t see them doing that shit to the men beneath them. I guess men are just inherently bad people. Ya ya call me a man hater, like I give a fuck. I’m a beautiful young blonde just completely disgusted by my observations of men and all the harm they cause the world. I don’t even want a guy but I’m not a lesbian–trust me I’ve tried. Guys fucking suck in bed, they have horrible technique from all the porn they watch and never make me cum. If I had to chose between my vibrator and a guy, I’d choose my vibrator every day of the week and twice on Tuesdays.

    • Mark

      well im glad you got that off your chest.

      • Jim Johnson

        Yes, a woman like that has SO much more to offer than her looks.

        • Mark

          “I’m a beautiful young blonde” shes actually 38yo & needs anti deps according to her other posts. Probably was hot, maybe still is for her age but the problem with the cruel gift of beauty is its a gift you have to give back slowly. If I were her Id be working on my character. Being a bitch is only viable when you’re a young hottie. Such a sad demise.

          • Jim Johnson

            Probably too little too late if she tried. Sad

          • Jane

            Its the ugly fat girls who are bitchy and get the great looking men

          • Mark

            Yeh umm can’t say I’ve seen that, im sure it happens but not where im from, atleast not on a status quo basis.

  • Jenna Jerald

    OK, logically here peoples. First HUMAN NATURE! Men SHOULD find young 20ish women attractive. Think about it reproductively women are the MOST fertile at that age & young enough to bare several children. We have survived for hundreds of thousands of years because of this. We forget to look at this from a Scientific aspect. These men aren’t pigs or sick, they are honest & it IS nature. The STRONG survive. Why should that suddenly change?

    • Jim Johnson

      I think what is making women mad on this thread is they are seeing a big dose of reality here go directly against the lie they have been told their whole lives. A 20 something is most attractive, if they used that attractiveness to find a top notch man it will serve them good. a man who has vested interest in her through marriage and family will not dump her because she ages along with him. (70 % of divorce is initiated by women) However a good man will not pick up an aging woman to marry if she is an aging bar hag with a few bastards in tow. They had their fun and reality is a bitch sometimes

      • Mark

        I agree 100% but unfortuanately Jim I have seen a few good men personally shack up with the aging bar hag with bastards in tow because they felt like any attention was better than constant rejection & humiliation. My close bud is the nicest guy i know to everybody not just women. He treats everyone well but gets walked over by women who chase guys like me. I consider him a much more pleasant person than myself but he has been kicked so many times by women that hes taken what he can get to not feel lonely & is now with 29yo single mum who played all coy & nice for the first 6months & then her true self came to light. He takes her shit because he thinks its what a man should just do. I’ll be there to pick up the peices as usual. But I seriously am concerned about possible future suicides in my circle, you look into their eyes & behind the stoic “yeh im all good” you can see the hopelessness in those eyes.

        • Jim Johnson

          I have an older brother like that, chewed up and spit out twice by women he should have known.

          I did things a little different. Once I had enough experience with women like that to realize the absolute poison they can be, I saw a good religious friend to mine hitch up with this pretty, virtuous 19 YO. We were 23 at the time. I decided to get into religion for that (never set foot in church prior), and for other reasons. I gave up my vices and cleaned up. For a time, my love life was crap. The religious girls thought I was just doing it to get under their skirt, the other girls thought of me as a square, but with time the religious girls warmed up to me. At 28, I married a virgin 23 YO bride. Now at 42, we have six kids and a strong healthy marriage.

          • Mark

            Its funny how many women look at you like that when you come into their group. I took ball room type dance lessons & most of the women made remarks that I was just there to try hook up….My mother was a dance teacher & always wanted me to learn but I didnt. She got cancer & before she died she asked me to learn so I did…When I told the women this the stupid look on there faces were priceless…I didnt date a single one & it drove them nuts.
            I congratulate you on finding a great woman & having a strong family. Im not religeous but I do believe a virgin wife is still the gold standard , not infallible but its the best indicator of good character that I can think of.

          • Jim Johnson

            Just looking at divorce objectively from a statistical point of view, a virgin bride is the only reasonable choice. We all have seen the scourge divorce has wreaked on the family, and promiscuity is probably the number one indicator you can see before signing the marriage papers.

          • Mark

            Couldnt agree more, its a pity men are shamed if they openly voice that they would prefer a virgin for marriage, cue the words insecure, weak, intimidated etc….Many potentials have got upset when I mention that if we ever got married you can forget wearing a white dress as its a pure colour, you cant go from little miss “im a modern empowered liberated hop a dick woman” to miss “im a tradtional type of girl” when it suits.

  • deldern

    Market forces are always at work. Youth is golden, so is beauty. Intelligence to a certain point but it’s not the most sought after quality, although no worthwhile man wants a dummy. Social and homemaking skills are very important and, of course, sexual compatibility goes without saying. Men are prized more for money and power than looks. We are hardwired this way. Women need a strong man to protect them and their young children. Men who have that to offer get the cream of the crop. Men also have hormones that make them horny all the time. Thus they tend to view all women as sex objects to a degree. While men may ideally want a 20-something, I have found that they will usually screw almost anything. I’m a woman and I would love to know if I’ve gotten it right. If not, what am I missing?

    • Mark

      I used to screw almost anything but then I decided that if I continue then Im partly responsible for the very culture of women we want to avoid, also when it comes to you so easily it tends to lose its value so now I just work on myself, got some hobbies, read, travel & ride bikes… Some men like myself also highly value discretion & privacy. A massive red flag to me is when a young woman “tells her friends everything” & requires the group opinion on almost all matters. Im fine with opinions, supporting & venting about certain topics, im not censoring but I personally would never nor have I revealed to my friends about my partners sexual quirks, performance, salary etc nor would I belittle my partner behind there back as Iv heard so many women do, even otherwise “good women” after a few wines. I know its a bonding thing but it can also be seen as a character flaw. Divorce is rarely a singular decision on the part of a woman, it involves the “council”….As for the rest of what you wrote i think its on point.

      • primetime2123

        a woman’s friends will be okay with you if you have money

        • Mark

          I have that but the issue I find is if your GF is happy they sing your praises, if shes annoyed they knife you…They’re like lemmings sometimes.

    • Jim Johnson

      The only part I would say you are missing is the relationship dynamic once marriage and kids are started. A guy wants a hot young girl if single, of course. But, if they have kids together, there is a level of commitment that overcomes the desire for the young sex object, especially if the woman proves herself worthy of commitment. At 42, I would prefer my 38 YO wife over a young random girl that has not proved her trustworthiness, nor borne my children.

    • primetime2123

      You are correct but once a guy reaches 30+ he will not screw anything since he is not blinded by hormones anymore.

  • TheMagician

    The main problem that women have is they think guys think like women do. For example, women want a guy who is a provider. So women think “Oh look at me, I have a master’s degree…I am eligible female”. The guys don’t come and she goes crazy trying to figure out why. The answer is guys don’t care about her Master’s Degree. Maybe it is worth 1%, but if you show a picture of a hot female bartender who looks great in a bikini and a female doctor who is a 8 face and bikini wise…every guy out there covets the hot girl in the bikini. That is just the way it is. So girls take that as “men are threatened by smart independent women”. Well no actually. It is just that it is not a significant variable. For example…let’s say I am really good at some videogame…world class good. Do women care? No. Well it is the same way for men and women being smart.
    Guys look for attractive women because there is some primitive thing going on in our heads which we have no control…probably has to do with bearing healthy offspring.

    • Jim Johnson

      Looks, and if a guy is looking for marriage material, virtue, disposition, political views, self control, and other things come into play. That and if the guy is successful, her career success is a negative as it shows her priorities are skewed.

    • primetime2123

      men don’t really go for attractive women. they go for fertile looking women.

      • Jane

        Would a selfless woman be attractive. Like a woman who gave up her career to care for a blind sick man for free?

        • primetime2123

          its fertility, looks, and personality (selfless could be grouped with personality) what men look for in women. unless you are ok with dating homeless men with no money ?

    • Jane

      I read men dont care what a woman dkes for a living….

  • mike2375

    This is common sense. Anyone shocked by this has been living a sheltered delusional life. Of course men want the best looking women. Thats what men seek, thats what men are attracted to. It’s been like that for history of mankind. Are we shocked that women want the guy with the money and ability to provide a good life for his family? No its common sense

    • Mark

      My company has had to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to remove the words “common sense” from all our documentation. It would appear “common sense” is not actually that common lol

  • Gr8 1

    ‘It’s disturbing’ No it isn’t. It is natural.

    • Jim Johnson

      It is disturbing to women who bought the “Sex in the City” feminist lie and spent their youth in frivolous pursuits. They are lied to, and then get mad at men for not living that lie along with them.

  • Mark

    Have a friend who is divorcing his wife after she made fun of his manhood in front of 15 odd people a few weeks back while drunk, my sis immediately scolded her for the act but the damage was done…she was miserable to him before hand anyway. We advised him to boot her out of the house and look after the kids as its favourable with the courts for custody here. Shes a big unit and is now like a tubby 33yo hamster on an exercise bike trying to slim down to jump back on the carousel which everyone in our group knows is going to not end well for her. In the mean time “johny”whos 36yo is inundated with younger women and were having a hard time keeping him under control thanks to all the tinderellas throwing themselves at him. “Jane” is about to be a pumpn dump who only the most horny guys will use a tissue and is living on her sisters sofa .. Johny worked his butt off for her and the kids and she was always putting him down publicly….long road ahead in divorce court but longterm he will be the winner I hope….

    • Jim Johnson

      Don’t count on it. Your friend has the courts stacked against him. If he claims “verbal abuse” that will go over like a lead balloon.

      • Mark

        Im pretty sure he’l get taken to the cleaners but were just trying to minimize it. He aint the sharpest tool in the shed considering he married her….my dumb shit sisters fault too…his ex asked her years ago how she could get him to marry?…she told her to get pregnant, fail epic fail…my sis has alot to answer for hence she is looking out for him to try redeem her guilt.

  • walker

    We men dont need to leave any explanation for droves of delusional feministic women –let them find out the hard way if they think they are so smart.

    Thats why i tell young guys they should NOT even think about marriage Until they are established in life , ie house finances Job etc which usually takes 15+years
    and may go into their 40s’ . See men can have children at any age and with strength , muscle training, calisthenics we can stay whipped into shape defying the age/look paradox.
    We Men age like wine unlike women who age like milk , and they are on a limited time schedule for babies and family .

    Then once established male can be ready for the nice fresh ” nawalt ” girl of innocence , love , mercy, truth and Family /Husband Unity in her mid 20s , and
    (screen her without her knowing it) using your wisdom to determine carefully the correct one .
    Our culture makes many men think they are to marry around the same age right out of high school — but its not the best solution and many men get divorced by women .
    Its a fact if a woman is close to our age they tend to want to act like our mothers , but not so if they are in their early 20s’ and us a nice distance away in years
    —- as they then are under a different mindset because they are not near our age and then they will honor us and remain submissive to us.
    Also the younger a woman is , the less she has been around corruption of mind of other feminist women brainwashing them .
    Instead being virgin , pure /fresh free of jadedness etc . the closer to her natural innocent character she Is designed to be .
    them
    Its amazing .

    Many women can change, and its their choice to put all the underworld darkness to rest once and for all , getting back down to earth where they are suppose to be about , TRuth , Innocence , Family /Unity , Love and Honor to their husband .

    1)is the youngest female possible —the least corruption in mind in general or corrupted conditioning and is less in the younger the female is –more closer to purity, freshness and farther from jadedness, slutdom etc–also the old saying is the horse can be conditioned/ trained and retains this permanently to its master

  • Tiger Bos

    Men no matter how old fat bald or ugly they are think they deserve a fetus for a girlfriend

    • Mark

      This bothers you why? how bout you just worry about what you need to do in life and leave them fat baldies to chase fetus.

      • Tiger Bos

        It’s called entitlement…look it up.

        • Mark

          Whats up, feeling a bit invisible or left on the shelf lol….sorry can’t look it up, got fetus to chase.

          • Tiger Bos

            Fine by me….have fun in prison just try your best not to bend over in the shower.

          • Mark

            Dont need to, we use shower gel these days so no need to bend over to pick up the soap. Have fun being passed over for the younger models….Say hi to your cat for me.

      • Jane

        So you dont mind a 55 year old woman with a 30 year old guy…

        • Mark

          No of course not if they’re both happy with that then have at it I say. I can’t personally say I have ever come across that dynamic in my circle as a longterm prospect, I’ve only seen it from the short term cougar fetish…My ex army buddy Clayton likes the oldies as long as they’re married and don’t want anything other than sex.

          • Jane

            Thats what i was used for in my 20s..no man wants to settle down in your 20s they are alot more around you and
            Interested past 37….and its a turnon if youve done it all travelled and lived in different places and you are fearless.

          • Mark

            Well looks like you shouldnt have a problem locking one down.

          • Jim Johnson

            “I am that woman”
            “That’s what I was used for in my 20’s”

            No, you weren’t that woman. That is what I was talking about. If you were a virtuous woman, you wouldn’t let men use you for sex. So, you rode the carousel, and come to find out, guys don’t want to commit their lives to an easy piece of meat. Getting a guy willing to stick his dick into you is not the same as getting a guy willing to risk decades of time, half his wealth, nor his heart to. Maybe in a few years, you can ride the carousel with old widowers.

            Tough break kid.

    • primetime2123

      men don’t think they deserve shit. they have to actually earn what they get in life. its delusional women who think they deserve a high quality man even though their smv is in the shitter.

  • Terry Vanderpuke

    13 teen to 16 teen is the best age for me, I like to teach them good sex

    • Mark

      Each to there own but I think you might be want be careful there….Probably not a wise thing to do

  • TruthTeller

    “..Or, you can look at it this way: Men’s expectations never grow up…”

    But of course women’s natural golddigging instinct is fine.

    The big dirty secret however is that 22 year old cutie is likely going to metamorphasize over time. Very good chance she’ll become a very much expanded version of herself. In about 15 years you’re not going to have that young cutie. However 15 years from now your money will spend just as well.

    • Mark

      Seen a few of the “hot girls” i went to school with over the xmas holidays…now aged 35-37yo….the wall is bloody real I tell ya. Most notable one, Alicia aka Leesh used to a hot sporty chic whom i asked out aged about when 17yo after a game of touch rugby & got a rather nasty rejection lol, starts batting her flabby eyelids at me asking to catch up over coffee…I say yes just for shits in giggles cos I know where its going, turns out got 2 kids to badboy who is currently in prison, lives in a shitbox rented house and is bludging off the state…..
      I’ll just keep spending my cash on travel, bikes and enjoying myself. BTW feminism is awesome, dunno why men get upset about it…they set us free! don’t have to get married to have sex, some women have jobs so they can by there own shit…they killed chivalry & the list could go on.

  • willaim

    Wow it’s is a shocker women look best 20-23 . Also best ages for child bearing shocker. Women want a guy who can provide well and still look young at 30 shocker. What idiots write this stuff what bubble have they lived in all thier lives. Reality is different from what we want though. Don’t take this as nothing more than a wish list . But 30+women for you this survey is terrifying the wall takes no prisoner’s

  • Gay Jesus

    There’s a difference between what a guy finds attractive and wants to be with, it’s the difference between love and lust. A guy may lust over a woman in her early 20s but won’t necessarily connect with her emotionally.

    It’s shallow on both parts to, one peruse a partner on only their age and looks, and two to attempt to emulate youth to attract these people. Just be who you are and own it, if your goal is to be as attractive to as many people as possible it may be wise to re-think your priorities.

    • Jane

      Just like the movie I watched with diane keaton 2 men were after her and a dr 28 yrs younger and a perpetual bachhelor her age.( jsck nicholson) In the end the man her age got together with her. I find men 35 love us mature women around 50.

      • primetime2123

        thats a bs movie. like anyone would choose Jack Nicholson over Keanu Reeves

  • Iown You

    >>>>I have a theory about single motherhood. 72% of single parent households are African American, so that consequence is probably more a cultural holdover from slavery.<<<>>>Yes, I agree that single motherhood is a problem, but I disagree that it’s the woman’s fault there<<>>however eager as you are always to blame the woman. <<>>If the women are the primary caretakers of the children, and they are doing so in impoverished circumstances, I say they are doing what they can.<<>>Now where are the men that impregnated them?<<>>You are saying that women need to hold on to virginity to entice men to marriage (Is that a correct interpretation)?<<>>Men are responsible for their own actions.<<>>Maybe have it be less fashionable and “alpha” to bed many different women without making real emotional, human connection.<<>> But that would be addressing toxic masculinity among your peers,<<<>> It’s easier to blame everything on feminism lmao.<<<

    Feminism makes it easy because it's usually behind whatever BS is happening that helps to further wreck an already broken society.

  • Iown You

    >>>Yes, and Oprah has said that she has chosen not to marry. She said that she rejected the traditional role of wife.<<>>Lmao Sure, I’ll trust you to be a biased source to interpret that data.<<>>ll I can tell you, aside from the studies that I’ve read about the gender disparity in which the man benefits more from marriage, is that my over the wall cat lady circle is extremely pleased with ourselves. We are a small sample size, but I’ll go with reality on that one.<<>>Trust me. With billions of people on this planet, fertility has never been one of humanity’s problems. Women are choosing not to have kids, and we are marching, because we have the sense that this is not a world that we want to have children in.<<>>Maybe you should try, um, listening to women as to why instead of dwelling in your fetid, pseudoscientific corners of the internet.<<>>Women are responsible for 80% of the domestic responsibility in a home, including the “emotional load.” Before men and women are married, men and women are equally likely to break off relationships. After marriage, women are more likely. Maybe it’s because of the financial hook for men, maybe it’s because women are exhausted.<<>>And what is this hogwash that women don’t clean or cook? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.<<>>>Whatever. Just live in delusion. I am doing well. And nothing in the Men’s Rancid movement is going to change a thing among feminists. Nothing that you say strikes a cord of truth, except for one thing. I do agree that men are angry and that you are typically devoid of the coping skills necessary to deal with your anger.<<<>>I know many women (the gender which dominates social work) who are trying to help men. But yes, you have to help yourselves there. Maybe instead of being the perpetual victim of feminism, you could take a hard look at why men are so miserable, angry, and violent. Here’s a hint. It’s not feminism’s fault. Read “Raising Cain” and many other resources along those same lines (Concepts which feminists are well aware of) if you want more insight into the destructive, violent culture of men.>>>>

    No thanks. I’ll stick to my college education which resulted in a degree in Psychology to continue to guide my proper scientific understanding of the current mental state of the average western male and will continue rejecting junk science and ideals of the destructive feminist culture that relies on pseudoscience, word-twisting, and lies.

    To say feminism is not playing a part is laughable. I’m sure the number of American school systems trying to mandate medicating young boys because they don’t behave the same way that girls do has NOTHING at all to do with feminist ideology, lol. I’m sure all of this gender confusion nonsense that feminism directly created is not having any effect on young boys and young men who are being displaced as a result of being told that all the things that are masculine are evil and that they should be more like women.

    Get real.

    • Matryoshkadollie

      Oprah is a billionaire. She doesn’t have to get married.

      • Iown You

        So you admit that women should only get married for money… what a surprise!

    • jess

      Where would she find a man??? You do realize she has been with Stedman Graham the majority of her life right? Just because they’re not legally married, they for all intensive purposes most certainly are.

      • Iown You

        >>>Where would she find a man???<<>> You do realize she has been with Stedman Graham the majority of her life right?<<<

        NO WAY!!! Is water wet, TOO?!?!?!?

  • nath

    …which is why men will be turning to sex robots in a huge way. Imagine having an 18yr old beautiful female in bed every night of your life,..even when you’re broke and old. And, Bonus: no feminist “don’t touch me!” outrage to deal with, EVER.

  • nath

    the war between the sexes stems from a basic problem: All men are horny as heck their entire lives, from 12 to 80,..but females are the most sexually attractive between 14 and 22,..so you got ALL the guys competing for about 10% of the females, and, in America, of those 10% you have to toss out the “heavy” ones, so that leaves us with 6% . Pick up any men’s porno magazine and you will see just that: those 6%. Those are the ones men fantasize about,..those are the ones we refer to when we say the word “Girls”. Unless a guy is rich and powerful, he’ll usually end up settling for porno, or an older female (hence the term “beer goggles”)…this sucks, but it’s been a great darwinian motivation for males to improve their power status in the tribe, through hard work, inventiveness, schools, etc.
    The bitterness that women feel at this biological arrangement is the basis for feminism. You will never see a sexy 20 yr old babe at a feminist protest. (heavy, yes; sexy, no) Same as you’ll never see a sexy young babe on the sidewalk with a “Homeless, will work for food” sign.

    • Jim Johnson

      Agreed, it wasn’t so bad when morality was still a thing. Pair bonding meant the young guys didn’t have to compete with the wealthy older men. A woman could still bake cookies to please her man when her sex appeal diminishes.

  • Iown You

    >>>Many factors in the black single mother statistics.<<>>Btw before 1890 the marriage rates for blacks were low. It’s a 60 year aberration, probably due to social stigma.<<>>The men are not around. Take responsibility.<<>>Historically, women were excluded majorly from education and positions of authority or power,<<>>You’re begging the claim that progress is limited to male contribution because in truth we don’t know what the world would have been like if women had had equal rights.<<>>>so you can’t say that if women had had those opportunities outside of the home, that society would not be better off.<<>>But we’ll see now, won’t we, because this MRA mindset is not catching on outside of your closed circles. <<>>>Meanwhile, women are steadily gaining power and also marching in the largest, most peaceful social protests in the history of the globe. Go girls.<<<<

    But they're also misusing that power and starting to pay the price for it. Take the MeToo Movement. It all started peaches and cream until women made the mistake of lying and twisting facts and now even the media is lashing back at it. When you start attacking innocent men you're awakening a sleeping giant that you're not capable of beating. Women themselves are starting to see the holes in these so-called movements and are siding with men more and more.

    Everyone wants people who've done wrong to pay, but when men are being targeted simply for being men you've gone too far.

  • Iown You

    >>>I have some friends who got the sleep-degree of psychology, and unemployment is really tough.<<>>Oprah had the option to marry and chose not to.<<>>Did you study delusion in psychology?<<>>Raising Cain was written by two men with Ph.D.’s in psychology from Harvard.<<>>So many logical inconsistencies. Where do I begin? Are women hypergamous, or do we lay on our backs for every loser?<<>>Should a woman hold out and pressure a man for marriage, or are men just hopeless (I mean, “biologically predisposed”)?<<>>Are women surpassing men in terms of education and job performance, or are we incapable of performing to your standards?<>>Are we male shaming,<<>>or are comments like calling feminists “whack jobs” and sluts in fact female shaming?<<>>The stats on who does housework don’t lie. Most women are majorly responsible for the home.<<>>I actually know what we were marching for. Good story, maybe I’ll tell you sometime. When you’re ready.<<>>Anyway, great that we’ve covered every MRA talking point (yawn). Nice rant.<<>>Hope that took you a while to write.<<<

    Sorry, but no. Typing at over 100 wpm. Awwwww… nice try though.

    • bunny

      Let me guess. You’re single?

      You know colleges have programs now to entice men to enroll?

      Again, you are making assumptions about Oprah

      Etc. I can make long posts with a lot of ranting and false assertions too, but I think I’ll pass. Congrats you have not said anything that has not been regurgitated by MRA’s a thousand times.

      If it were nature, men wouldn’t need to force women into roles with violence, laws, and religion.

      And no, according to the Marxist theory of feminism, suppressing the natural impulse that some women have to be in leadership positions will only make that current resurface eventually. Fortunately most people have more sense than you do.

      • Iown You

        >>>Let me guess. You’re single?>>>

        Guess again. And what would that have to do with anything anyway? Funny though is that I know you’re single based on your own words and you’re likely to remain that way given your own words, lol.

        And NO, CATS are NOT a relationship. Sorry 🙁

        >>>You know colleges have programs now to entice men to enroll?<<>>Again, you are making assumptions about Oprah<<>>Etc. I can make long posts with a lot of ranting and false assertions too, but I think I’ll pass. Congrats you have not said anything that has not been regurgitated by MRA’s a thousand times.<<>>If it were nature, men wouldn’t need to force women into roles with violence, laws, and religion.<<>>And no, according to the Marxist theory of feminism, suppressing the natural impulse that some women have to be in leadership positions will only make that current resurface eventually.<<>>Fortunately most people have more sense than you do.<<<

        And if that were true, *your* posts certainly wouldn't be any indication. Wait, maybe I'm wrong… let me look into what Marxist Theory has to say about it (ROFLMAO!). Yeah, and once I’m done there I’ll scour the pages of Mein Kampf and post a couple of its gems! LOL!

        Seek help.

        • Your Mother

          Hi, miss me? Posting under a different name due to mod issues 🙂 This is what I tried to post…

          No really… The Marxist Theory of Feminism. I’m seriously starting to doubt that you have a college degree. And a relationship with a lubed sock isn’t a relationship either.

          Hey, I decided to help you with those peer reviewed studies. I went to pubmed and started searching happiness in aging. Other than one completely outdated one from 1979, every study showed that being single or married for a woman makes negligible difference in her general well being with aging, but it makes a huge difference for men (Being divorced or widowed has detrimental effects for both genders), as in, men benefit from being married in terms of health and life satisfaction.

          But women don’t. The name of the study that illustrates this most clearly is Psychological Well-Being among Older Adults: The Role of Partnership Status.

          And the studies that show male benefit to marriage were Gender, marital power, and marital quality in later life, The role of partnership status on late-life physical function, and Happy Marriage, Happy Life? Marital Quality and Subjective Well Being in Later Life.

          I dunno. Maybe you can ask for a refund for your Psych degree or something.

          And telling me that I’m wrong because you say I’m wrong isn’t going to cut it as a response. Sorry.

          Edit: Dang, more keep coming up. Midlife women’s generatively and authotiatianism: marriage, motherhood, and 10 years of aging. That one said that generativity predicted positive outcomes, but… Now this is going to sting. Motherhood didn’t.

          Or try Living alone: the choice and health of older women.

          Now, I’m not reading the whole articles, so maybe there are more details/ factors. That’s just what came up in a quick search.

          That was easy. Another MRA myth busted.

          • Iown You

            >>>No really… The Marxist Theory of Feminism. I’m seriously starting to doubt that you have a college degree. <<>>And a relationship with a lubed sock isn’t a relationship either.<<>>Hey, I decided to help you with those peer reviewed studies. I went to pubmed and started searching happiness in aging. Other than one completely outdated one from 1979, every study showed that being single or married for a woman makes negligible difference in her general well being with aging, but it makes a huge difference for men (Being divorced or widowed has detrimental effects for both genders), as in, men benefit from being married in terms of health and life satisfaction.<<>>I dunno. Maybe you can ask for a refund for your Psych degree or something.<<>>And telling me that I’m wrong because you say I’m wrong isn’t going to cut it as a response. Sorry.<<>>That was easy. Another MRA myth busted.<<<

            Never heard of it being some kind of MRA sticking point. You're obsessed with MRAs or at least the acronym, lol. Totally normal…

          • Your Mother

            “hellbent on being right.” Yep

            K have a good day

          • Iown You

            “”hellbent on being right.” Yep”

            In your mind, literally, since you actually wrote that quote and responded to it, LOL! Again, TOTALLY normal stuff…

            Have a nice life.

          • Mark

            Holy snapping duck shit, how long did you spend digging into this? if this is your idea of happy aging going onto a site searching to get info in order to debunk someone on the comments section of an online article to defend your own position then I dont think you’re fooling anybody here about your own happiness. How about we all just agree to disagree. You don’t want us, we don’t want you or feminists except for well err you know “fun” …issue solved. You can enjoy your girlfriend circle and support networks, hobbies etc we will enjoy our toys, younger women and autonomy etc….we all win

          • Your Mother

            Ya and you decided to comment 😉 ok enjoy yourself

          • Mark

            hahaha…ok mom im off to dads house, il be back later for dinner.

        • Mark

          Dude chill, its pointless debating these things. Just be happy feminism exists…Think of the positives…without feminism we would have to get married just to have sex, work twice as hard and we wouldnt have a reason to forget the older career girls and carousel riders in favor for sweet feminine foreign women abroad. Its a great time to be a man…so much opportunity…I know the divorce rape thing sucks but… I structured my investments offshore (it quite easy actually) so no matter who I marry they can’t shaft me for 50%…If every guy put some thought into financials and sought sound legal advice the only downer would be child custody…Life is good and feminism is playing into our hands if you could just see it lol

          • Iown You

            Chill? Where are you seeing anger from me?

            Anyway, the only reason you think the way you do is because you’re only looking at it from a sexual standpoint. What about the feminization of our young boys and men? Do you see how they’re dressing and acting?

            Standing up for men is about looking at the present and future state of men. If you’re satisfied sexually, good, but to turn a blind eye to what’s happening to men is irresponsible. I refuse to do that for some vagina. Have more respect for yourself and your worth.

          • Mark

            Sorry man it was more just a intro than reference to your mood or tone.
            Now i do agree with you completely but what exactly are we to do about it aside from making the mgtow/redpillers community increase in size? Which isnt much better than feminism is it? They have valid points but like feminsm started out to equalise the genders it soon swung too far one way…MGTOW and Redpill could easily do the same. Should we start having marches where we burn our boxers? I talk about these issues to both men and women from time to time but what iv noticed is you cant make anyone take action or change mindset unless they actually want to, most people wont change their beliefs, they hold onto them for dear life because it makes the life they know up til now a lie and screws up their direction or purpose. The older they are the more resistance to new ideas or at the very least resistance to challenge them.

            Besides im not a SJW trying to change the world. I just make sure im the best i can be and hopefully lead by example of what iv acheived. If im not sorted what use am to anybody else. In the army we would sort the individual out first otherwise hes a liability to the team.

            Half the problem here isnt actually feminists….its men being little bitches and not standing up for themselves to begin with or going after what they want…I dont care (i do but i dont) if society has emasculated some men, or taken away opportunity, they probably wernt going to amount much anyway due to lack of inner resolve and mental fortitude…Why is it someone like me can be an achiever and not take shit from women whilst raised as lower class male in a feminised environment with little opportunity? Because I adapted, im calculating, I got motivated, I said NO to mediocrity, i looked for opportunity when others cling to so called job security which doesnt exist…….At what point will INDIVIDUAL men stand up for themselves again without having to have a leader or movement to do it for them? When did they lose the ability to think critically? Lose the ability to see instead of look? Listen instead of hear? Hell 95% of guys spend their lives chasing cash as our value lies in our resource gathering ability yet they dont know the difference between money and currency, price or value…If money is akin to mens value wouldnt you think theyd atleast ask what it is?? How to master it? Or is that up to someone else as well?
            The only reasons betas get there asses handed to them in life or by alphas/women is they stopped being assertive, stopped asking hard questions, stopped holding dickheads accountable and stayed silent. If i had a dollar for everytime i watched so called men let some twat jump the line or be an offensive git on public transport and not say or do a thing id could nearly wipe out homelessness in my city…but no, im the one who says something, im the one who almost got arrested on a train for dropping 3 drunk abusive idiots on there heads (lucky for me witnesses came to my defence after the fact, even got a pat on the back by the cops lol)

            I know my worth and im not going to waste my time holding the hands of men saying “go on jimmy you can do it “….My SGT in the army used to say “Boy, I’ll give you all the skills but courage is on your head”…. nor am i going to partake in feminist culture…the way I see it is, if you arnt man enough to say NO as an individual then here you go, congrats you won yourself a feminist….go play with it. Its like giving a monkey a hand grenade…eventually things will turn to shit

            So I ask, what is expected of me? Become the voice or leader for men? go into politics? get on TV and spread the word? Is not being an example enough?

          • Iown You

            >>>I dont care (i do but i dont) if society has emasculated some men, or taken away opportunity, they probably wernt going to amount much anyway due to lack of inner resolve and mental fortitude<<>>Why is it someone like me can be an achiever and not take shit from women whilst raised as lower class male in a feminised environment with little opportunity?<<<

            Luck. For every many who could do that, there are plenty who couldn't and how can you blame them. If anyone is raised being told their very nature is evil they're likely to eventually believe it.

  • Conrado Salas Cano

    Yes, senescence is a curse. Life is pretty pointless if you as a man cannot bang a 20 year old bimbo anymore, isn’t it? I am not contemplating suicide, but powerlessness before ageing is quite frustrating. “You should not be so superficial. It’s the beauty of your spirit that counts”. Yeah, right

  • Matryoshkadollie

    But there’s no true love there. Its just a business arrangement.

    • Tony

      Look at most marriages….after awhile there is little to no sex, just arguing and bitching and usually someone cheating. There is a reason divorce is pushing nearly 60%.

    • Jim Johnson

      We are discussing initial dating/attractiveness. Love is not an issue. Love is built during the relationship. Ask Trump if he loves Melina.

  • Tony

    All women are more or less a PIA. If you are going to have to put up with it…you may as well be attracted to her and women in their early 20’s are it. And just because men are attracted to that age sure doesn’t mean we have to put a ring on it. All relationships cool off but, you get to keep the memories of those perky breasts…..

  • JanApple1962

    Maybe biologically men want fertile females 20-22. Then he looks in the mirror and bank account, and decides how lonely is he with no honeyboobaebee….lol! All is not lost!

    • Mark

      Maybe biologically women want the hunk with a big bank account 25- 35 then she looks in the mirror and bank account and decides how lonely she is with no honeymomoneymobaby…lol….All is lost….but not really if she set her sights a bit lower

  • JaneWilder

    or a cat

  • Mark

    Nah was just having a bit of fun lol….i dont think it dooms anyone….just states the obvious that guys prefer younger girls vs older…doesnt mean thats how it ends up….As far as im aware many girls want guy over 6ft, cashed up, sexy, educated etc and end up with a guy who unblocks turds in toilets lol….could be worse, i read somewhere chinese women are considered leftovers after 27yo

    • JanApple1962

      We all know in that industry, plumbers rule, lol…interesting read about Chinese women as they are outnumbered by men via the past 1-child rule and really shouldn’t have a prob getting a date Sat night…

      • Mark

        Numbers are stacked in there favour until you look at education levels and incomes…the girls want to date up or sideways and theres not enough of those high calibre men around so the numbers work against them given the local currency etc. I read somewhere that men are supposed to offer up a payment and apartment as part of the marriage so it would reduce the pool of men even further…i dont know much about chinese culture but id guess its also a factor?
        I shouldnt crap on plumbers lol…they maybe smelly and have bum crack showing but they get paid well….Where i come from though many educated girls look down on blue collar guys, theyd rather have mr lawyer…..In a way i guess it evens things out, the discriminate on height, education and salary, we discriminate on age, looks and cock count….fair is fair lol

      • Mark

        Numbers are stacked in there favour until you look at education levels and incomes…the girls want to date up or sideways and theres not enough of those high calibre men around so the numbers work against them given the local currency etc. I read somewhere that men are supposed to offer up a payment and apartment as part of the marriage so it would reduce the pool of men even further…i dont know much about chinese culture but id guess its also a factor?
        I shouldnt crap on plumbers lol…they maybe smelly and have bum crack showing but they get paid well….Where i come from though many educated girls look down on blue collar guys, theyd rather have mr lawyer…..In a way i guess it evens things out, the discriminate on height, education and salary, we discriminate on age, looks and cock count….fair is fair lol

  • LeonardoDeecaprio

    lol Um surprise? Been like this since the dawn of time. It’s like uncovering data in 2018 that suggests humans prefer sweet foods of bitter. lol Wow! What a revelation!!!

  • aleste81

    Amy Marturana, men are interested in women that are FERTILE, that is able to produce babies.
    Young ladies are fertile, old ladies are not.
    Women should pop kids when they are young, before it is too late.

  • BrettOMC

    A man never grows up? LMAO wow. This writer doesn’t sound bitter much does she? lol

  • 112358

    This makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint. It’s too bad for those of us women who are older than 25, and maybe it will change over many many … many generations, but it is what it is and doesn’t really reflect on peoples’ ‘maturity’ or morality.

  • Anoni Mouse

    Once sexbots become real older women are going to be frothing at the mouth with anger.

    A perpetually 20 looking robot you can cheaply recustomize who wont complain about you ignoring her who is incapable of lying to get you arrested, “accidentally” getting pregnant, or stealing half your stuff in a divorce?

    Sign me up.

  • me me

    this is obviously a defensive point of view from a female. its denial actually, denial of the fact that they dont want to realize that after 25 females are bat shit crazy, blown out from years of being sluts, and yes unattractive. if women werent so picky and shallow then they might be more attractive intellectually but that deteriates also.

    • Jim Johnson

      I don’t know how many women realize how quickly the carousel destroys. If ridden hard, a year is all it takes to significantly ruin their prospects. No self respecting guy wants a used roast beef sandwich. But, if they maintain their virtues, they are attractive for some time.

  • wroka

    There is nothing disturbing about basic biological fact that women can’t have children after a certain age while men can get a woman pregnant whether he is 25 or 65. Even if a man might be past his prime that doesn’t mean he has to pretend that young adult women aren’t still pretty. Most of us won’t have the money or coolness to date these young women anyways.

  • Apothecia

    Who conducted this study, and where is the data?

  • CaptainofthGuard

    I dont know where this conclusion of early 20s comes from but I am sure it is BS. Too many young women are still “little girls” with a lot of trivia on their minds

  • Robere

    It’s called biology moron. It has nothing to do with not “growing up” you just say that because you’re angry with the way reality actually is. That is, men are very visual and we like young, nubile, slim, fit fertile women to breed with. Women want a man with resources and connections who has “social proof” A man doesn’t care about these. He wants a good woman who is young and attractive. End of story, Mic drop…

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