Study Reveals the Age Men Find Women Most Attractive—And It’s Seriously Disturbing

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We live in a time where many of us pour tons of time and money into staving off the signs of aging—whether that means dutifully applying eye serum every night before bed, or hitting up your derm for some preventative Botox in your twenties.

But some disturbing data shows that as women, if we want to be attractive as we age, the best thing we can do is really just not age past 20.

Christian Rudder, co-founder of OKCupid, wrote an article on Jezebel that delves into the dating site’s data “built from tens of millions of preferences expressed in the act of finding a date.” The data reveals some pretty depressing results about what men are looking for in women.

Women prefer someone roughly around their own age. Before 30, they’re looking for slightly older men; once they hit 30, they are interested in someone slightly younger. Throughout her forties, a woman is most attracted to men at right around the age of 40. “If we want to pick the point where a man’s sexual appeal has reached its limit, it’s there: 40,” Rudder notes. Yikes.

But even more yikes? All men, from those in their twenties to those who are fifty, want to date a woman in her early twenties. The most commonly chosen ages are 20-23. For almost every year in his thirties, a man is most attracted to a 20-year-old woman. And a 50-year-old man is really gunning for a 22-year old on his arm.

What these stats imply: “A woman’s at her best when she’s in her very early twenties. Period,” says Rudder. Or, you can look at it this way: Men’s expectations never grow up. “A 50-year-old man’s idea of what’s hot is roughly the same as a college kid’s.” Is it wrong to say that after the initial shock, we’re kind of not really that shocked at all?

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  • Katja Quinn

    Uh … why is this disturbing? It’s not like they like 13-year-olds or something.

  • Edith Thurman

    Thats because most men never age mentally past the point of 20 TOPS! Even if he’s 80 he still thinks like he’s 20. Majority still think like they’re 18.

    • Matt Gray

      C’mon Edith. Give us a break.

      • Jinky Gallinero

        Haha… I think she’s right!

    • Mohamed Zakaria Mohamed Ariff

      Assalammualaikum, actually Edith, personally I prefer women in early 30’s. more matured and focused.

    • Senzu

      I think the scientific community would strongly disagree with you there, so go research it a bit before you make stupid comments.

      • Edith Thurman

        Yo rocket scientist what the hell do you think this article was about??? Men trying to stay 20 by dating 20 year olds! Plus science is actually on my side, saying that men are more or less still in cave man behavior! Why don’t you try to do a little research before you make smart arse comments that only prove my point!

        • Senzu

          Hey moron, it’s “the men don’t age past the age of 20” comment you made I was talking about….do you really need rocket science to disagree with that? Use some common sense before you speak please, science is actually on you side huh? Show me a worthy scientific article that shows men don’t age past 20, and how do you know that cave men dated only 20 year olds and try to stay with younger women? You have a time machine also then? You’re a moron my friend, or at least it’s looking that way by what you’re saying, because it makes no sense. Plus that article just generalize, and as for the men that dates younger women, I know why because I’m a man, and yeah we’re different, but I guess men and women have to be the same right? Because the field of psychology is being overrun by women now, and they think they know the answers to everything right…..and they can’t even figure out that we’re different, what a shame.

          • Edith D Thurman

            For someone who likes to yell and call names, you’re not very bright! I was saying it to be a smart ass, if you couldn’t figure that out then I guess you’re the moron! Psychology is being overrun by women??? So you are a misogynistic ass! Yes men are different, they are little toddlers that are having a tantrum, because women figured out they do NOT need you! Now you want to scream, kick and moan go right ahead, personally I don’t arguer with two year olds its pointless!

          • Senzu

            Just like the rest of the other know it all women, yet they don’t know shit and lie about everything much like you did in your last comment. While my point is based on facts, yours is based stupidity. Just like most uneducated simple minded feminists, you’re using the word misogynistic because you can’t think and defend yourself when the truth and real facts comes your way. I never screamed once, just wanted to figure out exactly how backward you are, and you did well in answering that. Lastly if you think men NEED women, you’re not only stupid but crazy as well. Most men don’t care anymore and you can thank the feminists for that. Yeah we may need you for that one night, but that’s about it, so tell me who needs who. In fact this very article is about that, but again it missed the entire point of why men choose to do what they do.

            Try to defend yourself like a man next time and not like a woman, you know the lies, changing topic, not going with the facts. After all we’re equal now right, so grow up and act like it. At the very least stick to the topic and try to make some sense.

          • Edith D Thurman

            Seriously? First off my original comment was a joke, if you geniuses couldn’t figure that out then that’s your problem! Second how was it do wrong? Since that was actually what this article that was based off of an actual study just showed everyone! Now look who the dumbass is!

          • Senzu

            Nah it’s still you, trust me I know.

          • TruthSeeker

            Indeed it is. She was NOT joking, and has men/daddy issues. Meh, gotta love the crazies, they keep things interesting, lol!

          • Michael Milligan

            It was obvious to me she was kidding. I laughed because it was funny; and it was funny for the same reason remarks like that are usually funny – there’s a bit of truth to it.

            When you call someone a “moron”, you’ve crossed the line and become abusive, so, as the man said, “do you think we might ease it down a little bit?”

          • TruthSeeker

            I don’t know, “how was it do wrong?”, LMAO!! You are just too easy!
            See, ^^^^ there’s a comma used in there as well.

          • Paul Abel

            Edith is just pissed because she is over 23 and we don’t want her anymore.

          • Edith D Thurman

            LMFAO I would not want to be 23 again EVER. Plus I have not been in any kind of relationship in close to ten years, thank god for early menopause. I do not need a man for anything, never needed one, now don’t want one. So trust me I’m not pissed in any way shape or form! Much happier now!

          • Paul Abel

            I can identify with that. I get lonely sometimes, but I too have not been in a relationship for a number of years. Life is certainly less complicated! In my current situation I am too busy for what most women would find acceptable. I do not have enough time for myself let alone to give a woman the time she deserves.

          • TruthSeeker

            Looks like someone hates men. Was daddy mean, or were you seduced by a cheerleader and been lickity slit happy ever since? Babble on…

          • Edith D Thurman

            No I don’t hate men just idiots!

          • TruthSeeker

            We all do! Stop being one, please and thank you. And, if you were “just making a joke”, you shouldn’t have defended said joke in the following comment.

          • Edith D Thurman

            Maybe you should read the article again! It said the same thing I did just used different words! Can you understand that! I’m for from being an idiot but I do get tired of reading their replys!

          • TruthSeeker

            No need to read the article again. The first comment was what stood out. Then, your continued insidious “Little toddler like tantrums” made me reply. Maybe you should read your comments again. “I’M just joking”, “Men are little toddlers”… MmmmHmm.
            Oh, and no one is forcing you to read replies, or, reply to them.

          • Edith D Thurman

            Of course you don’t, because you know everything just like all men! Yes I am judging why because that’s how you are acting! You are right no one is forcing me to reply, just that stupidity pisses me off! Could be why I stay angry when I’m online so many dumbass people! So since all of you are so intelligent that you couldn’t find your head from your anus I will stop replying! Since all you seam to want to do is measure how big it is, if it b egos or little peckers, and I’m tired of men and their raised lite egos having tantrums! So have fun arguing with yourself!

          • TruthSeeker

            Hahahahaha!! Have fun at Pulse…

          • Mike Francis

            God I am glad I married my wife So Hee. It is the reason why I decided to find my wife outside of the United States. American Women say they want a Kind, intelligent thoughtful man. They get one , then cheat on them for a guy that slaps them around. I have no time for the stupid drama that is infested with the mentality of American women. So next time you see a Smart Attractive American man with a beautiful intelligent thoughtful Asian woman attached to his arm and you scowl behind their back. The reason is your attitude and you need to be the center of attention.

            And no , she did not marry me for a green card. So Hee is a college graduate majoring in Information Technology and she works in Korea. Only time we go back to the states is to see my family.

            I don’t care how old a woman is, she could be 20 or 40 i wont give them the time of day if they are entitled drama queen and crazy. Change your attitude , treat your men with respect if they treat you with respect.

          • TruthSeeker

            I’m fine here with my wife, twin sons and baby girl. Thanks…

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            No one has an issue with that lifestyle. I think its these articles that imply women are only good till 24 or something, that triggers reactions. I hope you will want your wife as she ages is all.

          • TruthSeeker

            Did you mean ‘replies’? IDIOT! Making women look really bad here, way to go! You’re FOR from? Dafuq is that? You’ve already opened your mouth and proven yourself. Next time, try just shutting your split licker!

          • Edith D Thurman

            You know dumbass auto correct doesn’t always work the way it is supposed to, just like your mouth! Now why don’t you shut your misogynistic damn face, cause I’m sick of listening to your stupidity! Good bye you useless waste of space!

          • TruthSeeker

            That should be: ‘You know, dumbass’. Auto correct can’t fix stupid, now can it? I’m a misogynist? HAHAHA! Put on your flannel and demand you need not shave, you bull-dyke. How do you listen text? What a no one, with a skewed view on life. Hate on… LOL!!

          • Mark Johnson

            You say “good bye” a lot but never go away.

          • http://www.ptr91.com/products/PTR%20MSG%2091?id=11 Saint James Matamoros

            So you are self loathing?

          • Edith D Thurman

            No actually I’m not, I just loath ignorance. Good bye

          • Edith D Thurman

            How us not liking idiots self loathing? Do you even comprehend English?

          • Marián Knotek

            Couldnt you simply ignore us, toddlers, leave us in peace to bang girls in their 20s and everybody will be happy? I cannot see any conflict between our interests, unless you want to bang them as well, just your hatred that will eventually destroy you. Looks like you are beyond point of repair.

          • primetime2123

            Agree. You gives a shit what two consenting adults do ? Old women do cause no one wants them. But I don’t care if old women are banging their paid boy toys. I don’t care who or what old women bang as long as its not me

          • David Thompson

            Well Edith It is now very obvious that you are a very angry and bitter human being indeed. I am pretty sure you are very jealous of those hot girls in their 20s. your ignorance and stupidity is laughable, and you wonder why guys arn’t attracted to you. For christ sake do a little research so you can actually know what the fuck you are talking about. Its women like you that make me attracted to girls in their 20s. Do you really think that your childish and imature beleifs are above that of evolution and human nature. You make me sick, so go to hell!!!

          • Edith D Thurman

            It’s funny how you find a post I started as a joke god knows how long ago, and accuse me of being angry. I have not responded to anyone on the for months. It WAS A JOKE. Yet all you guys have a F&CKING conniption fit over it. No one even asked the scientific evidence! It’s that men have two heads and NEVER use the one with a brain, women have one head IT HAS A BRAIN IN IT! See funny ha ha! Now goodbye go argue with someone stupid enough to listen to you!

          • David Thompson

            Wow Edith you have totally proved your self now haven’t you. Your attitude makes my point completely. You are certainly a very childish person indeed. I was told once that you can never really rationalize with irational people, and to never try. What great advise that was. Your irational attitude makes me feel a strong sence of superiority over you. Joke or no joke, in your childishness you made comments that are irrational and foolish totally deserving of criticism. But as a child can’t handel a bit of just critism you have a HISSY FIT over it and blame all men across the land. You just have to face the fact that men probably don’t find you attractive any more. It seems you think its ok to dish it out but can’t handel getting it back. Please go and do some research about BASIC human procreation principles and evolution. While your at it, go and grow the f*ck up. Thank you for pointing out your irational and childish nature. I now feel so much more superior than you now.

          • Edith D Thurman

            Better yet why don’t you just puss off! I’m tired of all the crap, because men get their panties in a bunch if anyone dare challenges their manhood! Seriously just grow up! I really don’t care if you feel superior or not. I don’t have to research it I’ve been doing that for 30 years. PS I am grown up. You’re the one having the tantrum, because your little ego got bruised. a GOOD BYE!!!!

          • David Thompson

            Oh,Edith, Edith, Edith. Every post you make only just proves my point. You are sooooooooooo child like aren’t you. From the very begining YOU were the one with your panties in a bunch and a man sized chip on your sholder when you made your childish statement about men not aging mentally past 20. Your ignorant statment was asking for rational criticism. But your getting your little panties in a bunch because YOUR EGO GOT BRUISED. AND YOUR WOMENHOOD GOT CHALLENGED. You think its ok to dish it out but can’t handle getting it back. That is a very narcissistic trait really. Or a traight of the psychopath. If you have only had 30 years experience you are obviously still very imature. It is very clear to see your imaturity in every one of your posts, ITS OBVIOUS. Your telling me to grow up now. Well I have to tell you I am an engineer with a very high IQ, so I have to put you in your place there. If men are so imature and brainless as you claim why is it that practically all inventions, engineering and scientific discoveries are contributed to the world by men, NOT WOMEN. Answers is women are irrational, just like you. You proved you have very little understanding of how humanity works. You really can’t be very inteligent at all if you don’t understand the basic nature of your own species. I shall spell it out again considering you are retarded.

            Men have a natural instint to seek out certain characteristics that signal fertility, health and ability to carry and complete pregnancy. These characteristics are present, and at peek when women are in their early 20s. Men are not simply choosing to be attracted to women in their 20s, because they want to. It is the inbuilt instict driven by bioligy and evolution. This is actually an extremly inteligent feature of men in action, not a bad thing but a procreative imperitive.Women who have babies in their mid to late 30s have higher rates of birth defects. The rate of birth defects continue to rise above 40. Women in their 20s have the least birth defects and most healthy babies. If men wern’t attracted to women in their 20s the rates of birth defects would sky rocket and threaten the survival and prosperity of the species. So who do you think you are to question and belittle thousands of years of biological development and evolution. Can you see now how childish you are? Once again, get the chip off your sholder and grow up!

          • Edith D Thurman

            Piss off twit! Nope I did not bother to even read your ignorant drival it’s simply a waste of my time. Good bye..

          • David Thompson

            FUCK OFF and die you piece of feminist feminatzi shit. The world will very much celibrate the passing of scum like you. Your existence is a waste of time and precious resources.Its cunts like you that make the world a fucked up place. Perhaps a more abusive message like this is better suited to your limited childish maturity level. I posted my valid rational comments as I have a right to do, then YOU responded with aggression and abuse. Very typical feminatzi behaviour indeed. How imature your tiny little feminatzi mind is. Thats why feminists have never contributed any inventions or scientific discoveries to the world, because obviously their tiny little minds are NOT rational. Your tiny little shit filled brain is obsessed with men hating. So just FUCK OFF and die you piece of feminatzi scum.

          • Edith D Thurman

            Oh you poor little balless boy, why are you so upset by me? Did your mommy not love you enough, or was it too much? PS The word feminist means EQUALITY you ignorant fool…..bye bye

          • David Thompson

            Oh deary me its little miss shemale titanium tits, with her/his tiny little cock. Why is it you hate the big bad men so much? Did daddy molest your little cock when you was a wee bub, or did you try to fuck your mummy in the arse hole.

            Nothing about your behaviour has anything to do with equality. Psychopath sums it up nicely. I actually am an advocate for equality for women. Its a real shame that people like you make a mockery out of it and create the femenatzi ideology. Beleive me you are doing you cause no good the way you behave. Men can see straight through it.

            So once again do us a favour and fuck off and die bitch. See you understood that much better didn’t you because that is the level at which our mentality opporates you psycho cunt licker. Mwha mwha mwha

            Toodle oo

          • Edith D Thurman

            You know what you’re a real piece of crap. I don’t even consider myself a feminist except in the sense of equality. Plus when I first wrote my original post I was deficient in several key nutrients, so yes I way angry and b$tchy. Now I’m perfectly happy, and back to my old self. Which is exactly why you have absolutely NO effect on me what so ever. So screen tell cuss it really doesn’t bother me one bit. YOUBDO NOT EFFECT ME! I do not depend on others for my happiness, because I already have it. You might want to try reading “The Mood Cure” it’s a very good book, and might help you quite a bit. So now I am done with you. Nope I still did not bother reading your little rant, because I know what you said is not about me, it’s about YOU. So YOU can keep it, I don’t want it. No more replies bye bye…

          • David Thompson

            Hello Edith,
            Lets call a truce. I’ll forgive you if you forgive me. It was all in fun. I hope you have sorted out your nutrition and are feeling better now. I take a Blackmores muti vitamin all the time myself. I do support equally for women very much and think its an important issue. I think women are beautiful creatures and respect them very much. Unfortunately there are some real crazys out there who make it a joke and distroy respect for the movement. I did kind of get the impression in some of your posts that you were one of those crazys, so I’m sorry if I got you wrong. I am sure you really are a wonderful person.
            So no hard feelings, as I said it was all in fun. I wish you all the best.

          • Mark Johnson

            Egalitarian means equality. Feminist does not.

          • Edith D Thurman

            But I’m childish LMFAO hehehehe

          • Crystal Holly

            Again, isn’t “childish” what’s considered desirable in this discussion according to you?

          • Crystal Holly

            Isn’t it odd that you find Edith “childish” in a derogatory sense yet defend your attraction towards women who have barely surpassed the the age of “teen”? Hmmmm

          • Paul Abel

            Wow! That is quite a tantrum you just had there Edith! The fact is, men don’t need women anymore than women need men. The majority of modern American women offer little that attracts us men after their age gets the better of them. Women have tried too hard to be men, to have the same “power” as men. To be just as brash and outspoken as men. Us men don’t find that attractive. You are welcome to it, but most men prefer women to be women. Not some bitchy women’s lib version of a woman. We don’t find that attractive in the least. So, after the looks have gone, what are we left with? What exactly do you women have to offer us??

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            Calling another name’s and yelling…has small hands too.

        • David Thompson

          Wow, we certainly share this world with some really ignorant people don’t we. Yes Edith you should go and do some research before you go shooting off your mouth. You obviously don’t have a great understanding of human nature. Really you are rather imature yourself. From an evolutionary perspective women in their 20s are more fertile and better capable of producing healthy offspring. It is therfore very wise of men to seek out youger girls. It doesn’t at all make sence to waste our male seed on those who are reproductivly inferior. Perhaps really you are just resentfully jealous of those who are more attractive than you.

          • David Thompson

            I agree

        • Brandon

          There’s truth in every “joke”.

        • http://www.ptr91.com/products/PTR%20MSG%2091?id=11 Saint James Matamoros

          So where is your research data little girl?

      • Linda Jo Quinn

        Again, he being not able to keep to topic without a temper tantrum. Not able to remain objective, focused are signs he is not a scientist beside the tell tale sign of a woman hater yet a little girl liker.

    • Frank Castle

      No. It’s because men are attracted to women who have plenty of healthy eggs in her Fallopian Tubes. Women are attracted to status, power, money, the ability to provide. This generally means older men. After 40 the body starts to deteriorate significantly.

    • David Thompson

      No, its not because men don’t age beyond 20 mentally. This is a very imature uderstanding of nature indeed. The real reason why men are attracted to younger women is a totally natural thing. Men are hard wired to seek out the most fertile, healthy and reproductive girls. The ones that have the most successful ability to produce healthy offspring. As women age their reproductive capacity is ever diminishing.
      So for men to seek out younger girls is very wise from an evolutionary perspective. To say men don’t age mentally beyond 20 shows your considerable lack of understanding in nature. Please give it some thought and do some research before you make ridiculous comments.

      • JWeeks

        Also shows how socially acceptable it is to be sexist towards men.

    • LeonardoDeecaprio

      lol yea it has nothing to do with the fact that women are just better looking and more physically attractive when they’re younger. Nothing at all. Only “mature” men prefer old, used, starting to wrinkle, tired women. If she has kids, bonus! lol Someone eats too may bowls of delusion for breakfast. OP logic = Mentally feeble men prefer more physically attractive women. Then the loser spends a year monitoring this thread trying to convince the internet that “it was just a joke”. lol pathetic.

      • Edith D Thurman

        Oh yes genius you’ve got it all figured out. Just because a lot of men just want to chase twenty year old crotch means they’re mentally more feeble? NOT! Their mentality has nothing to do with age. Just ask Stephen Hawking! Your logic is FLAWED! Actually it’s not even logical, it’s a man trying to make excuses for sleeping with younger women. Oh and I do NOT monitor this ignorant Fucking discussion. When people who I have NOT blocked comment it sends me notifications. Sometimes I read them, sometimes I don’t give a crap. LMFAO yes my life depends on ignorant shit people spue online. Do you really think anyone is that bored?

    • Biytor .

      Vast majority of woman are only in it for the money. They never get past the greedy, I deserve this because I have a vagina mentality of teens. Most woman think that beef & cheese in a catchers mitt is as good at 40 as it was at 18.

      • Edith D Thurman

        Unfortunately you are right. I have never understood people like that. I do not know what makes them think just because you marry someone you deserve half or all of what “they” make when you leave! Get off your ass and go to work. I do not believe in spousal support.

        • Crayven

          That’s the fault of the law.
          In other countries what you have prior to marriage remains yours alone and only what you produce during marriage is split in case of divorce.

          ENTER FEMINIST BULLSHIT !….

    • wjax

      No its because younger women are less entitled, much more enthusiastic about sex, and more likely to just want to have fun rather than trying to trap a man into committing to them. OTOH the older ladies have passed their prime and become desperate to snag a man before it is too late. No thanks, I’ll date the younger gals. 🙂

      • Edith D Thurman

        Now that is an honest response! Thank you, and yes I do agree. I don’t understand women’s need to be in a relationship. It’s not like we’ll cease to exist without one. People are to afraid of being alone.

        • primetime2123

          you have a biological clock while men do not. so 30+ year old women trying to rush a man into marriage is a major turnoff to men

      • Aperson Inscarborough

        Many men say the opposite…that older women are more fun, comfortable with themselves, and independant..

    • ToughStuff2012

      Looks only go so far. The naggy entitled want everything but bring nothing to the table mentality of a lot of American women is tolerable between the ages of 20-23. Past that, they need to have that rarer characteristic of actually being lovable in order to be attractive.

      • Edith D Thurman

        Now that I can completely agree with, no matter what sex you happen to be!

    • Brent

      I have a nice garden in my back yard bustling with the activity of growing plants, busy insects, chirping birds. It’s spring and all the young fruit trees are full of flowers. Bees and hummingbirds are busily visiting the flowers, nourishing themselves and pollenating the flowers, which will ripen into fruit and might someday grow into new trees.

      In the far corner is a wonderful, mature apricot tree. It’s trunk is old, sturdy wood–hard and strong unlike the younger trees with branches of fresh, flexible wood. My children grew up playing in that tree and eating its sweet fruit every summer; but now many of the hardened limbs have cracked. It has few blossoms. No butterflies, bees or birds visit it. Seeing it there quiet and lonely in the corner, I can’t help but feel a bit sad.

      • Edith D Thurman

        That was a beautiful story. I love spring, and you brought it to life. I’m more blunt. I’ve always been better with numbers than the English language, but I love to read. Yes every thing gets old eventually. Our problem as humans is our fear of death. Instead of enjoying our age we try so hard to fight it, including trying to live through others in any way we can. I often wonder why we worry so about it. It’s not likes it’s avoidable at all.

    • lowercrimenow

      Also shows women just like money.

    • Christopher Madden

      Well! That’s a nice ignorant genreralization, and a nice big “fuck you” to all the men who go to work, raise children, take care of their aging parents until they die, strive for depth and maturity and the like. You must be hanging around some winners to make that blanket assumption, Edith Thurman.

      • Edith D Thurman

        You’re taking my comment about a large number of people to mean all of them. First off if you are doing all that why are you bothering to read silly articles like this? No not all the men I know are like that, but unfortunately in this world a lot of people care about nothing but boosting their egos, and getting notches on their belt. That’s the ones who are really pissed off by what I said. Any person who actually cares for others, besides just themselves would blow off my comment, and move on. If you are raising your children, and enjoying your life, and don’t care about how many women you get to sleep with, then my comment was not about you! It’s all about self reflection. If you identify with my comment, or it pisses you off, it normally, not always, but normally means your ego is all you care about.

        • Crayven

          If you meet men who “just want notches on their bed” then you’re in the wrong circles, miss.
          Start dating more serious men.

    • Linda Jo Quinn

      It doesn’t really matter what they are attracted to. They can’t get them and sexually the majority of older men can in no way keep up with a younger woman, never mind one in their 40’s and beyond. Let them poor men think that they are still stud muffins. The gals think of them as gross daddy middle-aged men.

    • Robert

      Actually, the global hostility and condescension towards men displayed by you in this post is very characteristic of western women, and an example of why men are less inclined to be interested in a woman once she’s past her sexual peak. When she’s young, fit, hot, and not quite bitter yet, she’s appealing.

      When she’s older, bitter, fatter, but has spent more years under the influence of western feminist thought and is therefore more hostile, entitled, and demanding, who is going to want to spend time around such a person?

      • Paul Abel

        Wow Robert! You are spot on with this. Bravo!!

      • Sarah

        I think the point about not being bitter yet is very telling. When we are young, we have less experience and less hurts to remember. Women can be sensitive and these experiences accumulate. I believe it’s the same for men but men process it differently. I think it makes sense to flush these experiences out so we can be refreshed and not come back into the world or a new relationship with all that pain still so fresh. I think all the complaints you made about women here are things I’ve also seen in men. Women are, in general, feeling a sense of general and specific hostility, that comes from being in a position of oppression. I realise that oppression is difficult to understand when one is not on the receiving end, but, like people of color in the Western world, women of all colors receive a degree of oppression throughout their lives that may leave them with more feelings of disdain than one who does not (receive oppression) would expect. Perhaps this is the source of their negative feelings? Compassion is the answer to your question.

      • Aperson Inscarborough

        Why do men always use the word fat? I see older fat men much more than I do women

        • Robert

          Well, you may think you see that, but statistically more women are obese in this country (40%) than men (35%) (you can google this), so there are in fact more fat women than fat men.

  • Jeff Collins

    I think the article is very generalized and yes many men prefer younger women for various reasons, but I still find older women in their 30’s 40’s and 50’s very attractive and sexy.

    • Eddy Unruh

      Well it’s a study which means the average/% and not what one or two white knights prefer which propably even lie

    • David Stocker

      I agree completely Jeff. As long as the woman is intelligent, takes some pride in her appearance, is frisky and enthusiastic in the bedroom, women in their 30s, 40s, and 50s can be very hot. Smooth features and youthful beauty are undeniably attractive, but attitude is where it is at and mature women tend to know what they want and go for it. Intiative, experience, and passion are far more sexy to me.

  • tr7fan

    guess im differnt i sure as heck dont want a twenty year old. ive had a strong hint from a 23 yeear old the olther day and im 60. if you ever watched the show NORTHERN EXPOSURE there was a young woman married to an older man and they ran thier restuarnant. experience has showed me not to even mess with anyone younger than 40

    • Edith Thurman

      OMG I loved that show! I have never had a type or age preference, I’m more attracted to someone I can carry on a decent conversation with, and who gets my smart arse jokes…AKA the guys don’t age past 18 hehehe

  • tr7fan

    i beg to differ with this. i went into a business one day and the young lady just smles and spread her legs. all i had to do was say the word thats been a few years back

  • tr7fan

    i had guys my age bragging that there having sex with a 20 year old in regular conversation. i think this guy was so happy about it he was telling everybody . he just kept saying it. i dont really care about what hes doing . me i dont always get the clues woman are providing because im so used to being alone after a rotten marriage and the divorce was the good part. maybe thats why i encounter these things as im not actively pursuing a relationship. i do not want to be married to some twenty year old at my age. this has been going on since i got divorced and at first i didnt pay much attention because i wasnt looking to be with anyone after what id just gotten out of ., anyway thats how it is where i live

  • Senzu

    So men made you women that way huh? Talking about fucking, most women under 30 these days fuck more than men, you know, it’s that equal rights shit they’re high on.They have more partners as well, and don’t even start with lying because to hide all those men they fucked, well lying is used all the time…..so chill out there Bonita, because you could blame the women’s rights movement for everything you just listed.

    Women like you are so dumb that you complain about shit that happens to you by other women and can’t even see it. So blame the feminists for all the shit you just listed because they want more than equal rights, so you girls have to live with the guys that adjusted to that bs mentality they created….

  • Senzu

    Good point, yet you just backed up my entire point that younger women mess around a lot these days, even more than the guys. So yeah they sleep around a lot and want to experience as much as they can, so the older men is all the same to them, some may prefer them because of they’re usually more experienced as well.

  • Tom Troff

    The truth behind it is men often confuse youth and beauty. A plain young woman will appear to be beautiful to the casual observer, but a truly beautiful woman remains beautiful for a very long time. The idea that men never mentally age is as cliche as assuming that every woman is a gold digger.

    • Edith D Thurman

      True. I wasn’t referring to all, just most. There are men who think all women are gold diggers, and I understand their points as well. I did like your expression.

  • Josh H

    You’re all overthinking this. The reason guys prefer girls around age 20 is simply because girls are most attractive near that age, then their looks start to go downhill pretty quick, (just being honest). All you talking about evolution, intellect, maturity, fertility, or what have you, are just attempting to sound smart, but you’re not. This is just pure superficial, “She’s hot.” The end.

    • Sarah

      disagree, I looked terrible at that age but looked amazing after 25, so I thought and so everyone told me. Their looks don’t go downhill quickly. Perhaps your perception goes downhill quickly? I think girls at 20 usually look like children. Girls don’t look like adults until around 25. I think adult/sex/legality should adjust from 18 to 25. It’s around 25 that the human brain actually becomes “adult”. The future of what is considered adulthood should look toward science and brain development. If you have sex with someone under 25, and you are older, you are on a slippery slope of child molestation. They simply are not cognitively adjusted to adulthood yet. Science says that we are not really adults until 24-26 or so. I would say that I was a child until about the age of 25, for sure. I was still balancing adulthood and childhood at that time.

      • Jeffmc60450

        I kind of agree with both of you. Women under 25 tend to still look like children – very attractive children but children none the less. I feel more an urge to give them a sweater and ask about their plans for the future than bed them. Of course I am a teacher and have wired myself to ignore sexiness in most women under 25. But Josh is also correct because men are wired to find women between 17-23 attractive because that is when they are most fertile. You can whisper the word sex in a girl that age’s ear and make her pregnant.

        • Sarah

          Which is another good reason not to bed a grown up looking child! I think our biology likes sugar but we can remove it from our diet happily. Liking such young women is just some part of your monkey brain you can gain control over. And then be happier as a result.

        • primetime2123

          you and I both know that men like softer features in women. when women age these features disappear.

          • PaisleyMoon

            I am 50 years old and my picture is current; I am considered nice looking, and it isn’t all about what men want! Men get less good looking too, lower your standards, you aren’t all that great and you don’t have all the choices

          • primetime2123

            good thing men’s dating value is not solely based on his looks like it is for women. so no men don’t have to lower standards if they are older and have alot of things going for them.

          • PaisleyMoon

            Most men are not as vile as you, and want a woman for more than the superficial! And you do not have a lot of things going for you, you are just older! You aren’t older and wise, you aren’t older and nice, I don’t know if you have money or not, but if that is what draws a young gal to you, it is the money they want, not you! The only other young gals you could get are ones with inferiority complexes and who need a daddy, and even then you aren’t a source of stability, but a dysfunctional father! Also if you are driven by your libido, what is going to happen when you lose those abilities, which is inevitable at your age? All you will be able to do is look at her, not touch her! Do you think she will be happy in that arrangement?

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            That is incorrect. You should read about the 100’s of well-to-do below average males who went to Thailand, married a young girl, thinking the same thing as you, only to become penniless or worse, dead…thanks to the girl and her other lovers.

          • primetime2123

            Most men who go to those Asian places are usually well off guys not broke ugly losers

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Actually youre 100% incorrect. Its mostly the old ugly men who go to Asian countries such as Thailand or the Phillippines. Women are so poor there and the dollar converted to their local currency makes even lower middle class western men well-off in those places. If the men were so great, they would not have to go to Asia to be with young pretty women anyway. You need to read about expats in Thailand..google it…you will see what types of men are all over the place there. There are hundreds of youtube videos about this too…old gross male vloggers who post daily about their lives in Thailand lol

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            These men help support these women’s family..that is what they are to them. How impressive!

          • jab7168 .

            Please link to one of these orbituaries

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Are you insane? do you know how disgusting it is for a younger woman to be with an old man? I was 35 and had a date with a very intelligent 55 year old once.. I always thought it would be daring to date older. He had kept himself fit as best he could but I couldn’t even sit through the date and left early. Even the hug was forced. I never considered dating old after that. I can only imagine what it must be like for a woman in her 20s to be with an old man…hell even if he looked like George Clooney I wouldn’t want to. Scintillating conversation isn’t enough…unless you are dirt poor and need food, or have some psych issues that you need to work through, there is nothing appealing about it

          • primetime2123

            that is the best you can get you are past your prime as a woman. stop thinking that men are looking for 35+ year old women when they are not unless they are old as fuck like near 60. I guess old women would rather be with their cats than realize their dating value is near 0 when they are over 35. do you think a 40-45 year old clooney type guy would be interested in you ? serious question

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            well Clooney is with a human rights attorney who is more intelligent than he is….and he could have gone much younger, too. So intelligence must mean something, at least to some men

          • delicate_dream

            Well Clooney married a woman who was 36 at the time, albeit he was in his 50s. She is about 17 years younger, but she is also extremely educated, intelligent and successful. He didn’t marry a 20 year old bimbo. I’m sure men like him value beauty and youth, but it’s clear he wanted the whole package too.

          • primetime2123

            but like I said they had to go older. the women here are complaining they want guys their own age but men in their 30s are looking for women in their 20s not 30s.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I cant believe a womans dating value is based solely on her looks. Initially that is what attracts everyone but damn….it would be awful if that were true.

          • Roanna

            That’s only true for superficial fools, who then turn around and whine about how the woman ends up divorcing them and taking them for all their worth.

          • Hector

            Honey, your eggs have dried up by now. Millions of years of evolution have programmed men to look for fertility in women, hence they prefer women around 20 – 25. A few decades of rampant feminist b.s. doesn’t change that.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            softer features? hahahaha. damn what is your IQ??

        • Josh H

          Did you not read my comment? I specifically said it has nothing to do with fertility, just that women are most attractive (good looking) at that age. As women age past late teens/early twenties, their skin starts to wrinkle, boobs sag, vaj loosen, etc. Why do women want to look younger? Because that is seen as more attractive. Also the you not wanting “to bed” women under 25 because you view them as looking like children, is purely your opinion, and I’m pretty sure a non-prevalent one among the population..and I think you being a teacher has caused that perception. Wow!

      • primetime2123

        Youthfulness in women is a representation of femininity and fertility. That’s what men in women soft features not masculine jawlines or muscles

        • PaisleyMoon

          Women don’t want beer guts and bald heads in men, and more importantly they don’t want some ape like you. Unattractive boars are unpopular when it comes to either gender. By the way, I have my picture displayed, why don’t you. Are you ashamed of the way you look. You keep talking about how the woman has to look, yet you don’t show your face.

          • primetime2123

            lol..I am neither bald nor fat and look the same as I did 10 years ago. 99.9% of women my age are not on my level. most men look better than women their age as well

          • PaisleyMoon

            That is what you claim! If you were so great looking, you would use your picture! If you really want people to believe your lies about being decent looking, why not steal someone’s picture and use it! They do it all the time on the internet

          • primetime2123

            lol..I could care less what some random 50 year old woman on the internet thinks of me. its 100% true what I am saying. I do not care if you believe me or not.

          • PaisleyMoon

            Yes, you do care or you would not have replied! You hide what you look like, act like God made you as this wonderful being who is above all women, and then you peck through these lowly creatures to find the ones who are physically pleasing! The reality is that you are likely some little unimportant man with nothing going for him, trying to present yourself as some king who the babes flock to, and the marginal women wish that they had! I think of the movie “Shallow Hal” about an unattractive, paunchy man (played by Jack Black) who only wants the hot women, and they keep turning him down! I have a Chihuahua who doesn’t know he is a tiny, itty bitty dog, fancies himself a big vicious dog! Reminds me of you, a goofy little pathetic man who thinks the women are drooling over him and he can have whoever he wants, when in reality if a 60 year old woman wanted you, you would be jumping, and clicking your heals in gratefulness

          • PaisleyMoon

            You remind me of this blowhard my sister knew who was in his 60s and bragged about liking young women and how they all considered him a “silver fox” Later she saw him somewhere with his girlfriend and she was in her 60s also-just big, boastful talk

          • primetime2123

            lol. except I am way younger than you are. still in my 30s.

          • PaisleyMoon

            First of all, you claim you are in your 30s, again no picture, you can say anything! But even so, you act like you are 12! And you WILL be 50 some day! But even so, your personality is so odious, that you will drive women away regardless of your age! Meanwhile, I still have interest from men at my age! Plus I haven’t squandered the years, I have acquired knowledge and wisdom

          • PaisleyMoon

            If you are so young, then how are you the authority on what older men want in a woman? If you are in your 30s, who are all these younger women you are after? 15 year olds? You could get arrested

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            He uses “50 year old” as an insult. I have been reading forums about this lately. Many men are really of the opinion that women don’t value looks at ALL. It’s incredible. They think financial resources a man brings to the relationship and kindness is what is important to a woman. LOL

          • PaisleyMoon

            I have had younger men interested in me, in fact one who is 46 at my job wants to! Just because a woman is 50, doesn’t mean that she lets herself go and no guy wants her!

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            Dreamer, egotistical.

          • Roanna

            Right, keep dreaming.

    • primetime2123

      They are more attractive and have more pleasant personalities. Old women are bitter and have alot of baggage

      • PaisleyMoon

        That isn’t true. I have met lots of bitchy younger women. And lots of older women are more mature and settled in their behavior.

        • diamonddame

          primetime2123 watches school girl porn and really wants to convince us teen girls are every mans fancy.. when he really was just given all of his desires from porn scenes. just come out and say u wish the age of consent was younger, dude

          • PaisleyMoon

            The thing is that young women wouldn’t want him because they don’t want an old guy, and he doesn’t have a good personality either! And women his own age don’t want him even though he is age compatible, solely because of the bad personality! So the ones he doesn’t want, don’t want him; and the ones he does want, don’t want him! Us middle aged woman are glad he stays away, and the poor young ones wish they could make him

      • XT!

        Bitterness knows no age and no sex.

    • Mom Bakuniak

      Girls are not the hotest in their 20 they are the hotest 16-18 well atleast for guys age 20-28, I don’t know about older man, but just wait if nano tech works in our life time we’ll all look like in early 20s

      • Josh H

        That’s why I said, “around 20,” and I’m specifically saying 20 as in two-zero, not twenties. Also that’s a way of suggesting a few years younger than 20 but avoiding the, “you’re a pedophile” replies, haha.

    • the_spiral

      Yup, I think it’s just about the looks. Women just have tighter bodies and fresher faces when they’re younger (so do men actually, but they tend to hold onto their looks longer, perhaps because their skin is less delicate?) All the other traits – intellect, child raising, personality, maturity etc. – are just things that *keep* men with women past their peak beauty. So rather than chasing 20-22 yo constantly, a man may stay with a same-age partner (while still checking out younger women) because she has all the other good traits he wants in a partner. But it wasn’t those other things that drew him to her in the first place, but her beauty. Smart women have always known this and cashed out on it.

      • Josh H

        Yep, exactly

      • Roanna

        Most men don’t hold on to their looks longer than women. Women just have a wider scale of appreciation, and don’t judge men simply on their looks. Some men have a hard time understanding that and have decided that they’re still as hot in their 50s as they were in their 20s and 30s as a result.

  • lamrof

    I am 55 and yes I am attracted to women under 25 and above 18, though 18 is really fresh and mostly off-putting due to the unsettled mental attitude of women that age. 20 to 25 is the best speaking from my male instincts. I have to tell you though, its as much mental as it is physical. There are playful, carefree and sexually suggestive women of all ages. I met this 45 year old, physically fit black woman the other Month. She was natural as they come, not too much make up, her bronze colored skin healthy and silky to the touch and most of all she was so flirtatious language wise and also physically. She sucked me into her wold and swam in it. I could count 20 years back since the last time I had a hard on in a party talking to a woman.

    • Sarah

      so, are you saying that a 45 yo woman was just as enticing as a much younger woman? If so, perhaps you have a cultural broken record playing in your mind that you were able to break through to find the truth?! That women are not better in their early 20’s?
      I know that I couldn’t have been better in my 20s than I am now! And I know that many extensive list of over 100 girl friends were also not better in their 20’s.!!! When men say women in their 20’s are better, we’re like”WTF”!!!!. Not only are we better dressed, better taken care of, hotter in so many ways, but we know ourselves and especially know what we want sexually PAST our 20’s. Are you going to be one of those pathetic older men who let go of women your own age with the fallacy that 20 somethings are better? These women you let go of will adapt and adjust and find that there there are all kinds of lovely men of all ages and from all cultures that appreciate them. Would you really like to find that your wife of 30 years whom you left for your 26 year old secretary is seriously dating a sexy Spanish man who is only 3 years younger than her but 10 years younger than you?!? Not only that, but he’s willing to making lunches for your kids and drive them to school twice a week! He does not have the same hang ups as you and thank fully. you are usurped as you deserve. I equate dating much much younger with watching cartoons that are no longer entertaining.

      • lamrof

        all age Men attracted to women in their 20s and Women in their 20’s attracted to men much older than them is as natural and as true as the Sun will rise tomorrow. Men produce sperm well into their 70’s, women become infertile starting around age 40. If we cut the top layers of intellectual BS and find the all controlling primal selves of ours we find the truth. Men are drawn to fertility, Women are drawn to survival and it all has to do with replication.

        If you ask me, all women under 50 can be sexually attractive. Just go look the popularity of MILF porn, except that there are not as many sexually attractive women in their late 30s and 40s as there are Women in their 20s.

        My ex is my age, I look at her now I feel like she is my Mother. There is no way I will have sex with her. I am highly sexually active and Just as I was in my teens I find young women attractive.

        • Sarah

          You sound like the biology class broken record I already know so well, have heard and still find as a ridiculous explanation. Past the age of menopause, women still have more sex than men who can still ejaculate. It’s irrelevant that women cannot have children past menopause. You write as if women stop having sex well into their 70’s. As usual, women still have the say whether the couple if having sex that day.
          I’m so sorry you got with a women who you feel is like your mother. If you really psychoanalyse, you will find that you always thought of her that way, it’s just that eventually you REALIZED it.

          I feel sorry for you that you cannot find women your own age attractive. I think you’ve got a mental block about it. In fact, there are probably ladies that turn your head daily and you don’t realize they are older than 50. I’m not sure you got the memo, but women have a lot of resources these days to keep themselves healthier (ie younger). Women are only going to keep staying beautiful into older age and men need to keep up.

          One of the most beautiful women I know is over 50. She’s the daughter of the other most gorgeous woman I’ve ever seen who is 70 something. Not that looks are the main thing. I’m in my 30s and am pretty plain but my 5 years-younger than me bf is super hot and he finds me very attractive so he reminds me constantly.

          Perhaps men are biologically most attracted to younger women and have a difficult time changing this? Humans are also biologically attracted to sugar yet cutting sugar seems to work out really well for many people. Things to consider?

          • lamrof

            Sarah, men wanting fertile (younger) women is not cultural at all. Why are you implying it can be changed? Men need to keep up? Men don’t need a nudge to keep up so they should get attracted to older women.

            The only effective modern solution that lengthened the sexual vitality of millions of human beings is the discovery of pills that corrected erectile dysfunction. The rest of the stuff is all disastrous.

            You sound like a feminist to me, don’t make this a female oppression issue.

          • primetime2123

            Lol women lose interest in sex after menopause its scientifically proven. Most women let themselves go at that point anyways so its a moot point.

        • primetime2123

          milf porn is probably watched mostly by young dudes. I seriously doubt that older men prefer milf porn

        • bmiller107

          Right but women hit their sexual prime in their 40s and men in their 20s which makes a perfect case for older women/younger men. Not so much for men in their dotage chasing after young females although Viagra may aid that.

          • lamrof

            Women hit their sexual prime in their 30s. Women hit menopause in their 40s not their sexual prime. In addition Men hit their sexual prime in their teens say around 16 and then progressively fall into their normal selves. In any case its not to say older women are not sexual or don’t feel sex, in fact its to the contrary. We are not discussing that point though. We are discussing Men being attracted to much younger women say 20-25 year olds instead of women close their age. Sarah sadly is trying to make it a cultural issue, or a female oppression issue by men, which is incorrect.

            Modern medicine has absolutely solved age induced erectile dysfunction in men. The personal and social impact is in fact, I will say is even bigger than the internet itself.

            I want older women to be happy, more power to you all. Just don’t come and impede mine.

          • bmiller107

            And modern medicine in the form of plastic surgery has evened the score for women 🙂

          • lamrof

            Plastic surgery to the most part is a disaster, in my view

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            not if you look at facial fat grafting. they are really doing a lot, now. I am not saying its the same as a young person of course..but it can be pretty impressive.

          • bmiller107

            Well I don’t know what’s happened to me but I’ve been bodybuilding and seem to have gone back to my sexual prime 🙂 I don’t know if it’s increased testosterone levels or just more confidence in the shape I’m in. If you’re an older guy and can find younger women that will go out with you, I don’t have a problem with it. To each his own.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Its common knowledge that women reach their sexual peak in their mid to late 40s. Look it up. Its the body’s last ditch attempt to procreate before menopause

          • Gr8 1

            Which is ironic. They hit their sexual peak when men don’t want em anymore. Mother Nature be cruel.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Not all men are that way. I am 46 and get hit on all the time…but of course, probably not as much as when I was younger. I have also not let myself go.

          • Gr8 1

            Getting hit on doesn’t mean anything. Most guys especially the younger ones would see women your age as easy lays. They’ll fuck you but they won’t commit to you. It’s good you haven’t let yourself go btw. I’m sure I’d f*%# you too lol 😉

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I don’t mean I get hit on in that way or by young guys. I mean I have opportunities with serious-minded, age appropriate men. I do not have casual sex and never did. I have been ill and I almost died so am lucky to be alive. I have been celibate for 13 yrs

        • Brandi Nicole

          Men’s fertility starts to decline after 40 too their sperm looses quality The risk of miscarriage is twice as high for women whose male partner is aged over 45 than for those whose partners are under 25.

          • lamrof

            Fertility decline doesn’t mute the point that Men in their 70s can impregnate younger women (although rare in the west, it is more prevalent in the 3rd world.) You don’t think Trump can seed his wife if he wanted to?

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            But why isnt the knowledge that you are paying for your sex partner, a turn off? Isnt that what a loser would do? I mean…if the age difference is THAT much (over 15 years) and the man does not look at least semi attractive, there is no actual love on the part of the woman….at least not usually. The woman is tolerating the sex for financial security. I am Asian and have seen this over and over; the woman is not happy…she feels a prisoner but has no choice. While I do agree that some age gap is perfectly fine between women and men, you are not accurately representing the reality of how it is for a female….but it is possible you dont care about that part, I dont know.

          • Paul Abel

            Aperson – I think you are generalizing. I am dating an Asian woman twenty years younger than me, (I’m 48, she is 28. She has always been attracted to older men. She makes slightly more money than I do, so I can promise you it is not about the money. There is real love between us and because I have a young heart and she is mature for her age, we mesh very nicely. I am flattered that a woman that much younger finds me attractive but the fact is, our age difference is much more of an issue for other people than it is for us. It is kind of pathetic if you ask me. Why do people care so much? I think it kind of fits into the same kind of narrow minded thinking that causes people to judge others for their race or gender. People are always trying to make separations between one group or another, whether it is age, skin color, sexual orientation, etc. Time to grow up, people!

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I think people are just concerned about the woman is all. As you age, her life will become more and more limited if she stays with you. That is the reality of the situation. Why is that not a concern for you, if you care for her?

          • Paul Abel

            Jeez! You would think I am 40 years older the way you talk. I am in very good shape. I just came in to cool off from replacing my roof. It is 98 degrees up there in full sun and I am strong as ever. People in my family tend to live well into their 90s and my parents are in their mid 80s and still doing quite well. You really do have a narrow mind – Aperson. I think you are overlooking some very important things. I have been around the block a few times. I have learned where I have made mistakes in relationships and have made adjustments. I have years of life experience that I can share with my woman and that will help us avoid some pitfalls. I am stable in my life and truly know who I am. Not many twenty somethings can say any of that. I offer quality and perhaps as much quantity as any average male as it come to longevity. It is funny that you women don’t want to be judged for your deteriorating looks but you are very willing to judge me for dating a women 20 years younger than me.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Well, if that’s the case and if you are willing to have children well into your 50s if she wants them, then more power to you. Just out of curiosity, how do you think you will handle it if you are 68 and as you tell it, still virile, and the woman is 48 and looks old?

          • Paul Abel

            She has one child and does not want more, so no issue there. Regarding her looks changing over time, I am not concerned about that. In your example, I will be 68 and she will be 48. Even if I wanted to, I would not be able to get a woman in her 30’s at that point. You want to know the main reason I like her, Aperson? It is because she is not the typical bitchy, entitled, disagreeable American woman. I have had enough of them. The main lesson for women like yourself to learn, Aperson, is that men have no use for you if you are a pain in the ass to be with. Offer inner beauty, sacrifice, kindness, true partnership, and then you will begin to be on the right track. I am certainly not the first person to make this comment on here. I wonder if the women reading in this forum will listen or if it will just fall on deaf entitled ears who then wonder why us men are choosing younger, less indoctrinated women to spend our lives with…

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I am already like that maybe cuz I am Asian. and getting a man is not a concern…but I admit, I do sometimes think…will I ever be enough? will the ideal always be a girl in her 20s, no matter what I do? I realize this might be silly paranoia since women also have their ideals and fantasies…but I guess it bothers me anyway lol.
            If, when you are 68 and do have the chance to be with a nice and kind 20-something, will you likely leave the Asian woman?

          • Paul Abel

            Hi Aperson. If you are like what I described you should have not trouble getting and keeping a good man. Just be selective and make sure he appreciates your Asian temperament and other fine attributes that make you a good partner. Listen to what is important to him and encourage him to do the same for you and you will find a good relationship. I guess I should restate that. Make sure that he does treat you well also and that it is his nature to do so. Anyone can pretend to be something they are not and unfortunately they can do it for quite some time. Make sure it is his natural state to be loving and a good partner. Regarding would I leave her if I had the chance with a younger woman. The answer is no! We would have had many great years together at that point and I am very loyal and appreciate of good treatment and have searched a long time to find a true partner. She just might be that. More time will tell… I wish you good luck with your future relationships, Asian lady! Have a good night!!

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Thanks, Paul. More questions: was it just by chance that you met this woman and she happened to be much younger than you? Did you have chances to get to know women who were older and may have been nice too and attractive but reject them because they were not young enough? You say now that you really like her for her personality but how much of your attraction had to do with her being young? And if looks mean that much to most men, what happens if the nice woman becomes ill or has to get her leg amputated or is in a car accident and becomes deformed? Is love really that fleeting?

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            wif i just wrote a bunch of questions but they disappeared

          • Paul Abel

            Hmmmm. I had that happen to me on here once too. I will answer anything you want to ask if you care to type the questions again. I did get a couple of messages from you. You were asking about the looks question. I think it is important for both men and women to try and look their best for their partner. Looks do matter. Physical attraction does matter. There is no getting around that. But! When a person really gets to know the kind heart of the person they are with, the outward appearance matters less and less. I would not worry about needing to compete with younger women if that is something that bothers you. Just be absolutely beautiful on the inside and you will outshine most all women in the United States. You will not have much competition. You will be a diamond ring in a sea of costume jewelry…

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            that is a beautiful sentiment, Paul, but you are with a woman 20 yrs younger lol

          • Paul Abel

            Ummm…

          • primetime2123

            You don’t care about the younger woman. You are just jealous of them.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            There is also more likelihood that the child will have developmental issues.

          • primetime2123

            That’s more because the woman’s eggs have severely deteriorated due to age. Older men tend to reproduce with old women cause most men are average and below and dont have many options.

        • Aperson Inscarborough

          Did she bear your children?

        • Aperson Inscarborough

          It is not correc that women in their 20s are attracted to “much older”. Older, OK, not much older. This happens only when there are psychological issues or a lot of money at play. Keep in mind that although women can overlook more in the looks dept than men, it is still within reason. Not one friend I had in my early 20s wanted “much older”.

    • Aperson Inscarborough

      I do understand the need for playfulness. I can’t really fault anyone for that.

  • Stephen Crowe

    Yeah so in other words these people are shocked that males naturally want to act as males.

    • Sarah

      yep, where’s my shotgun?
      Naturally males would also throw their shit all over and rape, pillage & kill people whenever they got angry. As a modern human do you not confine many, many so-called natural inclinations? Why not this? Like eating too much sugar, it’s not ideal in modern life anymore. Our biology is catching up and we need to help it by not indulging in things we know aren’t helping our values/health, etc.

  • Friendofyourmom

    Guys like younger girls because younger girls are more easily impressed by them and it makes them feel good and they don’t have to face their short comings. They won’t be as sexually experienced, so guys don’t have to worry about that. It is a power thing. For some, it could be about youth being more attractive, but that really doesn’t apply much as the girls they date who are younger tend to not be that attractive. Most women who are attractive AND very young, are dating equally attractive men or men with money. I’m generalizing a lot like this article. The ideal woman would probably be in her 30s, not stupid but not bitter and obviously beautiful would be nice. I would rather date a woman who was really hot than really young. I’ve seen plenty of 20 year old girls with terrible bodies or ugly faces. In an ideal world, men think dating a younger women implies that she’s young and hot but in reality, the girl is usually just young and not that attractive. I have my friends’ experiences as proof. They’d say “yeah she’s 23 man” and be all bragging, and then I’d see the girl and think “but she’s ugly”.

    • Crayven

      Beauty is in the eye of the beholder…

    • Aperson Inscarborough

      You make a lot of sense. A doctor I know was bragging recently about having bedded a student on campus. He later admitted, as the conversation progressed, that she was “pretty plain looking, but nice”. (He is not a wealthy doctor but a middle aged, quite attractive but not highly paid, academic researcher).

    • Aperson Inscarborough

      Things are diffferent in Asia, which is why many men go there. There are many pretty-ish girls who are poor or who have been abandonned with children…so the old men get lucky there. Well, at least for a time.

    • primetime2123

      The problem with that is women 30+ have lost their power over men. Why do men care about impressing older women when older women aren’t viewed as the prize anymore ? So to say that older women are harder to impress is laughable because men could care less about impressing them. Men don’t view older women as a prize anymore and are not worthy of any impressing. Older women should be impressing men not the other way around

  • Lee Allen

    I have noticed that over 50% of the women that graduated high school with me are divorced with children. These women ages are around 40-50. It has been my experience that when females are in their 20’s they have are highly sought after but after their mid 30’s there isn’t as much competition for them.

  • TruthSeeker

    You say “grow up”, after I read something that looks like a four year temper tantrum. Damn, you’re very damaged…

  • Brian Kerr

    We don’t even want women any more for anything, even sex. MGTOW

    • Edith D Thurman

      You sound as cynical as me. Not all men are like this, and not all women are gold diggers. Have faith.

  • Jim Johnson

    Ironically, in their quest for independence and “strength”, the feminists have thrown away any redeeming sexually marketable skills (nurturing, caring, homemaking, child rearing) sought after by men. All that is left is looks. Once those are gone, the only ones that want you are the cats.

    • Sarah

      In our modern world, I think that if you take care of yourself, learn to nurture, care, homemake and perhaps interact with children often, you are qualified to be with a great woman who might be the one to bring home the bacon. Why does it scare men that women can have power? I still cuddle up in my man’s big arms and cry on his chest when I’m sad. I ask him for help and advice all the time. I know that if we had a kid (it would be my 2nd) he’d be the stay-at-home dad because that sounds more fun for him and I’d be sick at the idea of being needed 24/7 and that not considered a real job by some man. Looks are not all that’s left. Men can take on other roles, other identities just as women have. Women have changed and adapted. Men are still relatively stuck. I feel that men need help. Taking on roles traditionally held by women is considered emasculating but they can be empowering. Women can help.

      • Jim Johnson

        Like I said…….thrown away any redeeming skills.

    • PaisleyMoon

      Most women are not feminists, and are nurturing! Women have intelligence in addition to looks, and I think you are generalizing

      • Jim Johnson

        Note the word “feminists” and not “women”. Intelligence is not a sexually marketable skill (hence not included in my remark) there are lots of intelligent women out there. But, it is being directed in the wrong way. We don’t care about you having a phd in sociology. All that means to most men is you spent more time avoiding responsibility and being indoctrinated in college.

        When we come home, we want dinner made, the house clean, and the kids taken care of. We don’t want a discussion on the scientific method.

        • PaisleyMoon

          I don’t know what you mean about intelligence not being a sexually marketable skill! Decent women don’t go into a market to exploit themselves sexually! However, many men do find intelligence in a woman sexy!

          You need to speak for yourself! You say: “We don’t care about you having a phd in sociology” Some men do, and in fact many want the woman to have a job outside of the house!

          • Jim Johnson

            It isn’t…..in all seriousness. Not saying most guys go for the dumb blonde stereotype for relationships, but the college eggheads are not attractive. There are plenty of college egghead women out there (60% female students) What being overeducated shows is a toxic independence that guys find questionable if they are going to risk half their assets (near 50% chance of divorce, 70% of those initiated by women where wealth and child custody overwhelmingly go to the woman). Guys are looking at those numbers and shy away from any serious commitment.

            Couple that with the feminist “I don’t need a man” attitude that is systemic throughout society brought into relationships, along with the excessive promiscuity, and there is little for a guy to gain through marriage.

            As a woman, you need to do what you can to ensure those doubts are minimized in the minds to those you want to form a relationship with. Stellar morality is #1, followed by traditional values (love of children, charity, faith…etc.) If you sleep with the guy on the third date, he will write you off, because if you are that easy now, who is to say you won’t do the same with someone in the future?

            Best of luck to you.

          • PaisleyMoon

            I don’t sleep with anyone on the third date, I am divorced and don’t sleep with anyone period! I believe sexual activity should be reserved for marriage, as I believe in Jehovah God and live a moral life!

            In my religion, men and women rarely go to college beyond getting an associate degree because their pursuits are not material wealth! They are more concerned with preaching the message of the Bible world wide (Matt 24:14)

            As far as other people are concerned, many men like a woman who is educated and they like to have a two income family! I think it is fine if a man earns enough and the woman can stay home with the kids, but some need to work, and many men want them to

            I am not saying your ideas are wrong, but they are not as common as you think! You think that all men think like you

          • PaisleyMoon

            By the way, you say if I sleep with a guy on the third date he will write me off! If I slept with a guy on the third date, or before marriage, he would be as much as an immoral skank as I was! You act like he is the one who would reject me! I would reject him for being sexually promiscuous and easy! You make it sound like men are the ones who do all the picking, and their ideals are what matter

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            We don’t obsess over “getting” a man. As we get older men’s sexuality lessens and more of us are divorcing because taking care of adult men children is boring and we look for what we want.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Where on earth are you finding these egghead independent women?? Eggheads typically are NOT independant but have lower self esteem. And women bond with sex…they have a built in anti-promiscuous safeguard. They release a lot of oxytocin during sex. Where are you finding all these promiscuous women?? And every woman I know wants all that family stuff. This makes no sense. Its like you have no experience with real women and have been reading MGTOW stuff…

            I am Asian and where my parents are from, many women are expected now to work and contribute to the family income but sadly, men still want all the housework done, kids taken care of, and dinner made. The woman now has to do both jobs!

          • Roanna

            I guess I’d qualify as a well employed independent egghead. I don’t have any self esteem issues. We’re not all that rare. No more rare than men who are confident enough in themselves, that they don’t need a woman to stroke their ego all the time, in order to be able to appreciate them.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I don’t see how intelligence and independence are related. I went to University but am far from being independent I think. I have met many uneducated women who are promiscuous, too.

            The idea that simple minded people will be more traditional is false.

          • Jim Johnson

            I should have reworded my statement a bit. I’m not saying intelligence is repulsive to men, it just isn’t the highest priority. A woman with a bachelor s degree is one thing, but beyond that, I think they have priorities out of whack

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            A woman may actually want what you want deep down….but they have no choice. A woman has to do things to ensure her own future and be able to stand on her own 2 feet because we have all heard the stories of what happens when the man holds all the cards. Women will often end up in poverty, raising children on their own or trapped in an abusive marriage from which they cannot leave because they have no other options. Men who want their women unable to survive well without them, want to hold all the cards and oppress women. I believe that is the crux of the problem. I understand that the image of a woman as only a nurturer and sexual object might be the most appealing to many or most men, but women do not have the luxury of being just that.

          • delicate_dream

            I don’t think it’s a luxury to be an object of any kind. Certainly the nurturing job of being a mother and homemaker is noble, but it’s usually not necessary to do full time once the kids are past a certain age. Education in itself is a life enrichment also. Why begrudge that to someone? And who wants half a person as a partner either? That is a sign of insecurity and someone who can’t handle real intimacy with another whole human. Boiling your desires partner down to a set of skills and services is not viewing them as a full human. The “luxury” of being seen and appreciated as a whole human is what healthy women want. It’s not “competing” with men to note you’re a whole human also and don’t merely exist as an accessory to his goals and desires. Men don’t want to just be wallets, sperm donors or jar openers either. What a novel concept – to be loved and appreciated for who you are as a whole person!

          • TheMagician

            Right off the bat…”oppress women”…give me a break.

          • Jane Andrews

            Better pray you never need the skills of a female brain surgeon or lawyer.

          • Jim Johnson

            What does that have to do with it? I have a cousin who went to med school, became a doctor. I respect what she did, she made a very comfortable living for herself, except the part of never having a family. We all make our choices in life, with those choices comes consequences

          • Tre”NoLove”Holliday

            You are only looking for power in a relationship, that is unhealthy and likely to end in divorce
            For every year difference between a man and women the more likely they are to divorce, yep just one year,
            Also I have reason to believe you are a shorter man,
            Shorter men are more likely to try to find uneducated-younger women. Given your description I have reason to believe that you are threatened by a woman! Lol
            The fact is that your perceptions of reality do not reign supreme,
            You are powerless and try to act higher than everyone else. I’m sure a young women would love you sarc mark.

          • Tre”NoLove”Holliday

            To many men believe that it’s all about what a women can do for them,
            We are not gods gift, we are lucky to have friends, they don’t owe us anything.
            I wouldn’t want to be your friend and I fought in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan. Yes we are real men and we don’t act entitled to a damn thing. I worked with the roughest fighters and government leaders, they all have a thing in common, they see the world based in reality and they don’t have short man syndrome

          • Mark

            You do realise you’re preaching in the wrong church don’t you? Your rambling isnt gona change anyones position on this. Young hot and chaste trumps older and used….but im happy you got it off your chest…id hate to see you go on a shooting spree.

          • kell490

            I would agree as a man it’s really attractive to actually find a woman who is intelligent. I have been with the opposite and can hardly hold a conversation. My wife and I have to only say a few words and she is quick enough to get what I’m saying without saying it. I have to be honest also I would not date a woman who wasn’t physically attractive if I were single still. Example I had a girl in a class when I was in college she was very intelligent but about 150 lbs overweight. We used to talk a lot but I no physical attraction to her she one day asked why I never asked her out I had to try break it to her easy just wanted to be friends well that didn’t go over well she dropped the class and never saw her again.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            This is what I have found confusing though it is becoming less so…the idea that men seem happy with foreign women who, not only are much younger and at different stages of their lives, but also do not speak a word of English. So smiling and doing nice things foreachother and good sex is enough? Actually typing it out here it doesnt sound that bad haha

        • Forge Pham

          I don’t know about what other men want, but I know what I want. As a active duty officer with a doctorate degree, I want a women who is the whole package: intelligent, attractive, kind, independent

          Studies show that they more educated both partners are, the risk of divorce decreases.

          Initially good looks will get my attention, but I’ve broken up with women if they are dumb or immature.

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            You are stable, emotionally well and intelligent which is not what men children are.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            What about youth? Would it be so awful to be with such a woman close to your own age or do you specifically look for younger women?

          • delicate_dream

            Because you are clearly intelligent. And you probably don’t see a relationship as an exchange of goods and service, but an intimate connection. Many men may not care about intelligence or education because they aren’t intelligent or educated. “Water seeks its own level”. Anyhow, who wants stupid kids? She will be passing her genes too….

          • M. Valentine

            And that is exactly the kind of woman that a woman should be, in fact, that is the kind of thing a human being of either gender should be.

          • Roanna

            Forge Pham is an example of a real man in this thread. Jim Johnson is an antique, and not the kind that’s aging well.

        • Linda Jo Quinn

          So get your big boy panty’s on and simply learn to do it and help when we get home from work.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Thats not whats happening. Men are going over to Asia and getting women from there – very young women who are so poor, they will take anything of any age.

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            …and these gals are wise and leave these men once settled in the US if their is no love, just as my Korean best friend did. A few will remain married if the husband is wealthy enough to send money to support her family if greater than she could.

        • Aperson Inscarborough

          You sound like a very immature man…but sadly, I do believe most men are this way.

          • jab7168 .

            Then why associate with them? Problem solved…..

        • Kay

          Marrying and having children with an intelligent women doubles the chances that your children will also be extremely intelligent. Studies have said that it even appears that Children tend to have inherited most of their natural intelligence from their mothers, not to say the fathers genes don’t contribute, they certainly do. However, having children with a woman with assumed below average intelligence increases the odds your offspring will also be below average in intelligence. So intelligence is actually quite sexually appealing along with various other attractive traits she may also have.

          • Jim Johnson

            You must be brilliant to know what I want better than I do. Your intelligence is mesmerizing. I love you.

          • Mark

            Im not going to try debate whether or not what you say is true regarding a “study” but general food for thought be careful when quoting studies, the term ‘study suggests’ or ‘research suggests’ is quite a handy marketing ploy to dupe people into buying something or worse invade their subconcious…If I decided sell “super foods” id dribble ” a study suggest that x well marketed tea/indian root/ berry etce will reverse aging” id be a very rich man thanks to silly consumers, theres a reason why 70% of a mall is geared towards females. Also Intelligence is an abstract concept in that it is defined by a number, an IQ of 140 or a PHD doesnt mean much if the person is complete dickhead, I know a few highly educated “intelligent” people who are financially retarded & social morons. I also know two “Intelligent” couples who had “Intelligent” daughters who wound up on the meth pipe & selling themselves to pay for it… Just cos your kid can play the violin, speak 3 languages & is math whiz doesnt mean they cant end up a bottom feeder.
            & as Jim said “intelligence” is not sexually marketable, its just nice to have, bit like having a father that owns a pub but we still priortise youth, fertility, character & not being a self absorbed harpy over “Intelligence” & lets face it, Intelligence is only sexy in a man cos it more than likely means he has a good job ie money/resources & has reasonable grammer to keep the grammer nazis happy

        • M. Valentine

          So, after reading your comment here, if I am understanding you correctly, you want a compliant, uneducated woman whose soul reason for existing is to be prepared to fulfill your every desire and fantasy at all times. She must not have opinions of her own that are contrary to yours, and she must make no emotional or psychological demands on you beyond the bare essentials. She must be there to fill your life with endless joy without being concerned for her own needs or intellectual process.

          How horrifying.

      • primetime2123

        Too bad intelligence does nothing for men. If you don’t have homemaking skills or cant rear healthy children what do women offer men ?

        • PaisleyMoon

          Nobody wants to offer you anything, because they don’t want you! You repel them with your attitudes

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            Exactly. If men want a maid and someone to take care and baby them they should hire a nanny to do so. Women unfortunately may just be a jet pilot or a doctor, a nurse.. and a tad preoccupied. Shame some are simply overwhelmed by females that have skills that often rival their own. Women want attention as do men. Some of the opposite gender may need a constant ego stroke if they are not fully male is what this is about. They are floundering and simply refusing to evolve while kicking and screaming in a tantrum. Sigh

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            But how can men change all that? Men have certain traits that are tied to their testosterone levels and whatnot. Without those traits, we would not even be attracted to them.

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            Not to worry as testosterone levels slowly decrease then plummet with aging. Thus why the evolution of Erectile Dysfunction prescriptions or as they are preferred to be called, E.D. meds. With the union of the increase in the life span of males, they entered onto the market ultra pronto, with some side effects and dangers of not too much consideration. It has also come to light after years (?) of further research study that estrogen is NOT dangerous to the average postmenopausal female as my doctor has always attested to. Unfortunately, most women are still traumatized by the faulty reports. My doctor has always stated that a healthy female body loves and thrives on estrogen. Truth and ut oh boys.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I also was not aware that estrogen was OK to take.
            But men can just take testosterone and ED meds have been on the market for a long time now….they must be safe.
            Plus, even though men die earlier, people say that they usually look 5 yrs younger than females of the same age due to testosterone thickening the skin or something.
            But then women can do facelifts, fat grafting, dermal filler etc.
            But then men say it is all fake and plastic and gross.
            But the new techniques are really good and you cannot tell…you just look awesome….especially with the fat grafting
            And we can start dating younger, too, I guess.
            I am getting a headache. I need to stay off the damn internet.

          • Jim Johnson

            ED is a symptom of widespread porn use. Guys get hooked on watching young women doing crazy stuff in bed then see their overweight wrinkled boring wives, and are not excited. The stuff is poison.

          • primetime2123

            nah. women have to offer men something. he has status, money, connections, can still reproduce, his own home, offers a good lifestyle etc etc to offer you. if you can’t offer him offspring or can cook, clean, etc ..you offer him nothing. dating is an exchange of value when you break it down. so basically you are saying that men have no use for women as mates if women can’t play into their gender role. Offering a vagina only works only for young women

          • Jane

            Men 50 love women 50 as we can relate, we have high confidence that a 25 year old wont have…plus they dont want any kids a 25 yr old does! And we csn talk about the 70s 80s cause we grew up in them. We are less selfish.

          • Roanna

            If you want a woman who’s only interested in being with you because of your status, money and connections, then you deserve what you get.

          • TheMagician

            You can talk all you want, but at the end of the day, 100,000 years from now, guys want younger women. Guys go for looks and younger girls look better. There is nothing you can do about it.
            If women were smart, they would get married in their early 20s when their value is at a peak. You want the career? Fine. Just don’t come crying to me at age 35.

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            When I am 35 you will be a obsolete.

          • Jane

            Men 50 should be with women 50..just like girls 25 should be with boys 25….they makes fools of themselves otherwise..lol

          • Roanna

            “girls” look better? Sounds like you prefer children to women. The only way a 40+ man is going to get an 23 year old woman interested in them is if she’s a gold digger. Then the men whine about how all women do is spend their money.

    • diamonddame

      just come out of the closet jim lol

      • jab7168 .

        Why are you a disgusting homophobe insinuating there is something wrong with being gay? I doubt Jim is gay, that is just your pathetic attempt at an insult.

    • Aperson Inscarborough

      And I guess your looks never fade?

      • Jim Johnson

        I never said that, but while a guy’s looks starts to fade around 35-40, that is offset by increasing status and wealth. A woman’s looks start to fade around 30, but that is compounded by decreasing vitality. In the market, because women have a shorter time in their “hotness” timeframe, their desirability will also be a higher peak. In other words, men of all ages will be going after them. They will have a skewed perception of their market worth. While this is fine for a woman who uses this time of high attractiveness wisely, if she neglects her ticking timeclock in the pursuit of career or adventure, she will have a huge disadvantage if she is looking for a spouse past 30, and will have to settle for someone she turned up her nose at in her 20’s.

        • Zane

          well said man, since when do women over the age of 23 care about a mans looks? hahaha what a joke. i want to see data on women vs men achievement in the last 10 years. have women even taken full advantage of their “newfound” opportunity lol

          • Jim Johnson

            Yup they view men as an atm. They must earn six figures to be considered Now who is objectifying?

          • Mark

            Get this…few yrs ago i went with a friend to 20-23yo girls apartment…got 10 steps inside, introduced ourselves and the first question was what do i do and how much do i make! yeh i cant make this up…i lied and said $18 per hour and she meekly said “oh thats ok I guess” My poor friend was so embarressed we left not long after….this girl was no oil painting i can assure you….fast foward couple of years and guess what?….yep shes now a single mother. I have so many other firsthand stories like this….Only in NZ

          • Jim Johnson

            Yup, I had terrible luck with women, until my junior year in engineering at college then all of a sudden they saw my earning potential.

          • Mark

            I feel you….I ended up working in the lucrative oil and gas industry and all of a sudden I have all these women seeing me as a good catch…what a coincidence….of course though they will protest that they have just grown up etc etc….I call bullshit. I would be far more comfortable if they could just be honest and say “yeh I want a guy who’s cashed up” I’ve got no issue saying I want a hottie…

          • Jim Johnson

            Women complain that guys like to look at porn while women would rather see a man in a nice suit. They way it is objectification. So, a woman would rather look at a guy’s money than who he is, where a guy will strictly look at the woman.

            Sex robots are the new gross evil in society, and yet dildos have been around for decades, if not centuries and women will not bat an eye. So, sex robots, which are a mock of the entire woman is objectification, but a mock of only the sex organ is not?

            Note: I find both abhorrant, but am noting the hypocrisy.

          • Mark

            never thought of that…excellent point Jim. I’ve seen first hand the hatred toward my friends marriages with younger asian wives but this is interesting because when men starting using bots nobody will know therefore no hating towards them…this means the “man shortage” will really hit home soon when combined with mgtow, hookers and tech to make our lives easier. The women better hope guys keep depositung at sperm banks otherwise it will be a case of no marriage, no kids and a void for alot of women which is sad really, i can only imaging the implications for welfare and social security in the future.

          • Jim Johnson

            The pendulum will swing back as soon as enough guys start checking out. Here in Utah, there is a sizable population of women who find themselves running into the wall still single. There is a shortage of “good guys” willing to wife up. Women are more likely to stay in the LDS church, and will not date a lowly construction worker who smokes and has tattoos. Consequently, you see adds for plastic surgery everywhere. Lots of women are projecting the “NAWALT” persona, trying to compete for the few guys who are responsible.

            I work with the youth at church, it is about opposite for the high school kids. The boys are drooling over the girls who have overinflated egos. The girls won’t give them the time of day. It is laughable to see the contrast.

          • Mark

            I’ll have to google some of those acronyms but i get what you are saying. I just hope the governments dont try bring in some type of bachelor tax etc in the meantime….its been mentioned before in parliment. Its bad enough having to pay for womens contraceptives and other initiatives with my tax dollars.

          • Jim Johnson

            LDS – Latter Day Saint = Mormon
            NAWALT – Not all women are like that…..basically women trying to differentiate themselves from the stereotypical leftist. They say they want to live the conservative traditional life, to stay home and raise kids. Whether they truly are is a different story.

          • Mark

            ah that old chestnut…..yeh seen that…play up and be all sexually liberated when young then play im a traditional girl who deserves the traditional institution of marriage etc…The girls that say that crap (not all tho) usually have had more slugs up them than grandpas shotgun and do their best to cover their tracks.

          • Jim Johnson

            If they are truly traditional, they will marry in their early 20’s as a virgin. They will be holding out for sex until marriage, then really desire to be married to have sex, so they get married young.

          • Mark

            A bit of a rarity in west….also unrealistic given our liberal, consumer and status orientated society driven by the elites to keep kickn the financial can down the road…and so history will repeat. Follow the money…all roads lead to rome.

          • Jim Johnson

            It is rare. In order to get one, I transformed my life gave up my vices and went to church. It took me about five years and my old life. For better or worse, I made that decision and stuck with it. I married a 23 year old virgin and now live a fairly traditional life. High costs but high rewards

          • Mark

            excuse the possible stupid question, I can understand the “reward” but what was the “high cost” financial? mental? emotional? opportunity?

          • Jim Johnson

            A bit of background here, I grew up agnostic, never set foot in any church. I was a typical kid who had typical vices. When I got into my early 20’s and started dating, I quickly found the women to be abhorrent. Over inflated egos, narcissistic behavior was all to common, I’m sure you are more than familiar with them.

            There was this dorky religious kid I knew since grade school. He was such a square, we teased him but in the back of my mind, I admired his integrity in standing up for his values. At 22, he sends me a wedding invite. When I meet them, I am jealous. She is this young, good looking, traditional girl. I wanted that.

            I had a belief in God, but didn’t do anything about it at the time. I was in my first year of college. I started asking the girls out from class that I thought had the most virtuous demeanor. Time after time, these girls would go on a first date with me, but quickly break it off before we could form a relationship. I did this for about six months. Then, one girl (cute 19 YO) asked if I would go to church with her. We didn’t have a relationship, and I really didn’t want one. I wanted to find for myself if church was right for me. So, I went to church with my dorky religious friend.

            What did it cost? Well, I had to change my life. I had a real conflict with my friends, and my family. For about two years, the girls at church thought I was doing it just to get with them, so they kept their distance. It was tough to remove yourself from one life and try to fit into a new life. It was awkward. I felt I was in limbo between two different worlds. Over time, the awkwardness disappeared for the most part. Still, there is a feeling of discomfort around in-laws.

            In order to maintain that traditionality, I continue to take my wife to church, we read the scriptures as a family every day, I try to live the commandments, I volunteer my time…..all of these things are taxing. Yet, they have rewards.

          • Mark

            wow…bit of change wasnt it lol. Its hard breaking the old social circles..as they say if you lay witj dogs you catch flees, ever noticed smokers hang with smokers, same witb unemployed , sluts, feminists, redpillers etc. Its hard to break that even if you a genuine urge to leave. I was a soldier then left and became a drug dealer…got a bit too good at it thanks to the training i have so I decided to cut ties with it and left the country for a better life….since then I my drive and mentality has shot up, even my earnings are up over 1000% as i surrounded myself with successful people, learnt to investing and marketing etc…but for all the gains iv made professionaly/menatlly /emotionallytheres a huge no mans land between friends and some family back home who critisise what iv become. They also hate the fact i dont drink alcohol…sometimes il get a beer, tip it out and fill it with water so they think im drinking just to make them more comfortable…its just easier sometimes.
            I think what weve discoverd is that its what weve said no to that has made us.

          • Mark

            FYI…in australia construction work isnt such a down grade in status anymore…Many of us make more than lawyers. I’ve had plenty of older people with grown kids ask me how to get there sons into trades like instrumentation, electrician, plumbing etc as university degrees are dime a dozen now so you almost need a honors or masters depending on your field just to get a graduate job. They didnt train enough skilled techs here years ago, now many are retiring so thers a skill shortage in the trades. Most normal tradies here bank 100k easy and oil and gas guys 160-260k…doesnt stop girls looking down on you in highvis tho….until they see your car lol

          • Jim Johnson

            Nice, market forces are a. Fact of nature. As much as the socialists try, they cannot change physics

          • Tiger Bos

            Yes women are interested in earning potential just as men are only interested in looks it evens out

          • Roanna

            And all some men seem to see is a body and a lifelong maid.

          • Roanna

            I earn six figures. I don’t need some man’s money and I would not be at all surprised if someone with like an attitude like yours is single and will remain so, but you’ll blame it on the women rather than on your own ego issues.

        • Tiger Bos

          There’s more to women than their looks you shallow idiot

          • Jim Johnson

            There can be, my wife being one. But for your average feminist bar hag, they don’t offer anything else

          • bunny

            Ugh, you’re giving me flashbacks about why I left that disgusting religion as soon as I could (I was forced to go as a youth). You just joined to get a woman who was easier to control. Ya. Sounds like a patriarchal religion to me. But judging by the amount of hours you spend complaining about unruly, independent women online, you are working very hard to convince yourself and others. Your life or your quality of masculinity, no thanks. I’ll pursue my hedonistic feminism with relish, so thanks for affirming that. And now that I am past the wall, I have a pile of cash that is just mine and don’t have to answer to a man (Oh, and I still have them beating at the door for a chance to get inside). Thank God for feminism. Now that’s a religion I can get behind.

        • Roanna

          No, your wealth will never offset your cave man attitudes. An attractive man is one who treats his partner as a person, not a gender role.

    • S M.

      Oddly enough this is actually not accurate. There are multiple studies done that concluded different findings including the prime time of a women being much later even in terms of fertility. Actually fertility issues decreases in women who had children past 25 as long as they were before their mid 30’s which in turn increased problems associated with child birth. Ironically men were actually shown to have greatly reduced sperm coubt and fertility even after 25 as well as problems with erection especially in later years with the booming of ipa beers with hops and gmo soy introduced into our foods(highly estrogenic). The truth is, these men represent thr same group of women who like younger men only and who are repulsed by men passed their 30’s really. And to these two groups of men and women, they are but spiritually feeble creatures who will never experience true sexuality or love. They will chase something that pedophilic propaganda has instilled into their minds by the great pedophile masters who have ran our society for as long as there was one. They will never know Gods true message because they can not truly love or respect the opposite gender nor can they love or respect themselves.

      • Jim Johnson

        I think the issue is, is this notion that you have to have it all before you marry and have a family. Overprotected kids are ill prepared to cope on their own and they are taught this idea that continued adolescence is the way to go. While a few years of flaking off is fine, you cannot do it forever without consequences. Time is short, especially if you have dreams of a big family and it gets disrupted by divorce.

    • S M.

      I agree that modern femenism (western) has become repulsive. It has turned into a race to act as a man and be treated like one. Go to third world countries and these poor women are trying to fight for the right to be treated as a human being and not a dog.

      • Jim Johnson

        And yet all you hear from feminists about those areas are crickets. Heck, feminists like Merkel are trying to import it.

    • ssohara

      My experience… I was a virgin until I got engaged to my first husband. Unfortunately, he is gone. Now I am 50 and single. And I thought – well, shoot, no way will I get any dates, better sit home and knit. Not the case. I have had plenty of guys flirt with me, ask me out, etc. Including several who are in their late 30s/early 40s. Feminism though is helping me out because I am a feminine woman. I don’t wear a lot of make-up or show cleavage… in fact, I dress very modestly. But I smile, I listen, I flirt. I expect them to open doors for me and take care of me. And they eat it up. 🙂 Now, not sure any of this will lead to marriage, and that is frustrating for me because I like sex but believe it should be saved for that special someone. And especially with a younger man, if he wants a family – well, I am not going to be able to give him one. On the other hand there are men closer to my own age who have already had their families or who have a child or two and who don’t want more… so who knows?

      • Jim Johnson

        That’s fine. Like you admitted no guy that is looking for kids will go for you. Sounds like you are traditional in your behavior. Guys like that, not feminism.

      • bunny

        Ya, “The Wall” is just a myth that insecure men tell themselves try and keep women in a manageable box. Men who actually appreciate women don’t mind aging. All of my friends in their 30’s-50’s (and probably beyond, but that’s just the age range I know) have no problems getting male attention. I mean tons of male attention and offers for commitment. Doesn’t matter if they are feminist or not.

        • ssohara

          well, and here’s the thing – whoever you are, own it. If you are a feminist, then you are a feminist. There are people who love and adore feminists.

  • ToughStuff2012

    Looks only go so far. The naggy entitled want everything but bring nothing to the table mentality of a lot of American women is tolerable between the ages of 20-23. Past that, they need to have that rarer characteristic of actually being lovable in order to be attractive.

    • Edith D Thurman

      That I can understand.

    • Sarah

      Dear Toughstuff2012, do you have the rarer characteristic of actually being lovable?

    • Chris

      That’s total bullshit

      • Mark

        sorry dude its 14 up votes for ToughStuff vs zero to you….might wanna let this one go eh

  • barrywright

    Men want youth and beauty, women want a man with money and power, duh, it’s never changed so get over it.

    • Edith D Thurman

      I agree. But I will not get over it. Hell I won’t even deal with it. lol that’s my point. You only have to get over it, if you want to deal with the BS of it, I’d rather not. At least you are honest.

      • Crayven

        It’s cats time! 😀

        • Sarah

          Crayven really seems to like cats! My bf’s cousin and his gf have 4 cats. I have 1 because cats don’t really like each other and I didn’t want to subject mine to territory issues. Hey, how funny! that’s so similar to women! Guys, one reason why your gf or wife does not want to catch you even glancing at another women is because of territory! Women are something like cats. We don’t like to share territory and can get very territorial. To keep you gf/wife content, curb your glances. Simply make a point of looking away. It won’t hurt you! Improving your relations with your bf/wife will only improve your sex life. Trust=blow jobs
          Have fun! Be safe! Crayven, enjoy all your cats.

        • Aperson Inscarborough

          Do you really think you will attain anything meaningful in your life by banging one 20 yr old after another? If so, I feel sorry for you.

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            Trust me he doesn’t. He I simply trying to bait you into his dulusional debate.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I am deathly allergic to cats. lol

    • Tall Blonde

      I agree, unfortunately. But at what point, or if ever, will they be happy with each other emotionally and intellectually, that’s sad. It would be great to find a soulmate, but it won’t happen when the age difference is too far apart. Just nothing in common. Not saying it’s right or wrong, it is what it is

      • Aperson Inscarborough

        I dont know if men need or even want a soulmate. Most I have seen just want to keep it simple.

    • Sarah

      wrong. Women can now have money and power so where does that leave men? Youth and beauty have become a state of mind and men that are still obsessed with women who would like to equally take advantage for a short while (the average short duration of a trophy marriage) for monetary benefit will not find happiness. Do these men interested in youth and beauty admit that happiness is their actual goal? Molesting/taking advantage of young women is not going to pan out I’m afraid.

      • primetime2123

        Too bad its mostly women who represent the poverty line.

        • bmiller107

          Right. Women with children who chose a bum to mate with.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Thats because older men are never a first choice for a woman.

    • PaisleyMoon

      I do not want someone with power and money, don’t judge everyone based on a few

      • primetime2123

        yes you do want that. you know why ? because you care about what the man does for a living, if he has a house, or a car, etc etc. that is a show a money. the man’s job and social status is a sign of his power. so yes you do care about that stuff otherwise you would never ask a man you are dating about that.

        • PaisleyMoon

          You sure know a lot about me based on nothing. You never spoke with me before. First of all there are women who spend their money on the man, do they care about his money? I am not like that, but I would want a guy who makes a decent living, he doesn’t have to have a lot of money. Just enough so that he can pull his own weight. My ex husband had investments and when he and I divorced, I only asked for what was my share. I could have gotten more out of him, the judge even advised I put the court case on hold because I could maybe get my share of interest on his investments and I said no.

          • primetime2123

            lol..you just proved my point. so yes you do care about a man’s status and money. all women care about this. decent living is about 100k for you probably.

          • PaisleyMoon

            You have comprehension problems and are simple minded! My ex husband was a housekeeper at a hospital, as was I! He had no status! We both worked full time and I always paid my share of the bills! I did not live off of him, so you don’t know what you are talking about! The only expectations that I had, were that he was responsible and had the ability to support himself!

          • PaisleyMoon

            Neither of us made anything near 100 k, you simple minded person!

        • PaisleyMoon

          My ex husband had a menial job when I married him, so I did not have high standards! Of course I wanted him to have a car-that is a necessity, what are we supposed to do, walk everywhere? I have a car too! He did not have a house, but we bought one together

        • PaisleyMoon

          Yeah, he is a housekeeper and I am so into status that I married him because he cleans toilets

    • Aperson Inscarborough

      That is not true. If that were true, young women would be drooling over pictures of Rupert Murdoch. You are deluding yourself.

    • barrywright

      No doubt most women don’t have photos of Murdoch on their mirrors. But the nest building instinct in women urges them to find a ‘good provider’ for their children, and that instinct goes far deeper for them than mere sexual attractiveness.

      • Aperson Inscarborough

        Well, I cannot speak for all women but that has never been the case with me. I have found that many men carry this opinion around, though. I will also admit that a man can get away with being less attractive because a woman will eventually love the mind and that can make up for a lot (within reason)…but initially, we are kind of the same. IMHO

      • primetime2123

        Most women don’t know who Rupert Murdoch is since his face is not on TV so he doesn’t have much status with women. Women know who Harrson Ford is and Im pretty sure women still like him despite being old.

  • kell490

    The woman’s face, skin, body all peaks early 20s same for a man woman get the attention some women age well some don’t. Look at kaley cuoco pictures age 20-35 can see a big difference.

    • primetime2123

      men do not peak early 20s.

      • Jim Johnson

        physically, guys peak about late 20’s, but that is offset by continued growth in status and wealth.

        Women peak physically in early to mid 20’s, but that is compounded by baggage. Guys do not want to provide for someone else’s children.

  • http://www.ptr91.com/products/PTR%20MSG%2091?id=11 Saint James Matamoros

    ??? Sure there are some attractive women in their 20s PHYSICALLY but nearly all of them are deer in the headlights clueless. I couldn’t date anyone younger than early 30s. I think if a woman takes care of herself she can be very attractive even in her 40s-50s.

    • Jim Johnson

      clueless….perhaps, but teachable. A girl gets set in her ways over time and become harder to mold. Take a woman who has been around the carousel too many times, probably with several kids in tow, and you are an appendage to her life, nothing more than a useful ATM. However, if she is young, her life will be your life, like marriage is supposed to be.

      • Lame Equis

        The whole carousel talk is straight from those PUA woman hating sites. If you met a wonderful woman, over 35 who you had amazing chemistry, lots in common, great sex and connection with, would you get rid of her because of her age? Sounds really dumb. Maybe you need to reevaluate yourself…. love a woman for who she is, not her age. There’s shitty 20 something year old women and there’s wonderful women of all ages. Generalizing will only limit you.

        • Jim Johnson

          If my wife were to get ran over by a bus, there are very few women 35 or older that I would consider if I weren’t already married. Two that I know come to mind, I have a good idea that both have maintained their virtue for all these years (still I would have to verify). But, I already have the number of kids that I want, and would not be looking to start a new family at this point in my life.

          The carousel is mentioned because the number of men she sleeps with has a tremendous impact (whether cause or effect) on divorce rates, satisfaction in marriage and trust issues. Stuff does not happen in a vacuum. But hey, if you feel like the best you can do is a 40 YO banged up slut with probably some kids in tow, please feel free to get them off the welfare line for the rest of us. As for me, I have better options.

          • lilith

            You’re an idiot. It’s very obvious why you needed to marry a virgin.

  • Linda Jo Quinn

    Mr. Thompson has offered his true self. I rest my case. Laughing.

  • Chris

    I’m sick of articles like this, especially the last paragraph. Women aren’t even close to the most attractive / beautiful in their early twenties.. I have always, even as a teen, felt women in their mid-20’s, 30’s and 40’s are equally (and highly) attractive, physically and every other way, even a bit older if they stay reasonably in shape.

    Even when I was 20 I was much more attracted to somebody 27 than 20… I’m only 24 now and am more attracted to somebody in their later 20s than my age. And I don’t know who came up with the myth that beauty declines at some point, it’s just not true to me at least. It’s just annoying because I don’t know why a lot of guys think these things about women’s attractiveness but please take it from me that not all guys are like that..

    • Rhiannon Goguen

      Thank you Chris I hate this generalization also. It depends on how the woman takes care of herself. It makes older woman feel like they shouldn’t even try because we are apparently already spoiled milk beyond 30. We need more mature men like yourself that don’t see things so black and white.

      • Aperson Inscarborough

        I agree. I swear these articles are designed to make women hate themselves even more than they do already, thanks to the beauty industry. If we loved ourselves, the economy would collapse. Its also articles like these that bring the lower-caliber, mysogynistic men out of the woodwork, to comment.

    • primetime2123

      you are definitely not going to think that when you are in your 30s. trust me.

      • Jim Johnson

        Relax, he is just white knighting on his computer. Pathetic isn’t it?

        • primetime2123

          nah man he is 24, a young horny dude who will bang anything so old women still look appetizing to him. when he is 30+ those old women will be repulsive to him. little does he know.

          • Jim Johnson

            I’d admit that there are a FEW attractive women in their 40’s. But they were drop dead gorgeous in their 20’s, and they lived a clean healthy lifestyle since.

            As far as your comment, white knights are horny, isn’t that the reason they compromise themselves to save their fair maiden?

          • Lame Equis

            “Repulsive” geez you sound bitter.

  • Zavadoot Vardarim

    Saying it’s “disturbing” just sounds like jealousy. Why is it disturbing? It’s biology, isn’t it? If without modern medicine, humans are expected to live to age 40-50 or younger, wouldn’t it make sense men would be attracted to a mate who is younger? The older a male gets, he’s still going to want to have babies with someone with the best chance at giving him healthy offspring, i.e., not someone pushing 40.

    Now with modern social norms, I think most guys past the divide by 2, plus 7 rule ignore their attractions to women that young, but it seems to make sense that they’d feel it.

    • primetime2123

      jealousy from old women.

  • Artorius

    I think people are getting upset over nothing. Men saying they find women in their early 20s to be most attractive isn’t saying that they find only women in their early 20s attractive.

    The article is also talking in terms of generalities, not of individuals. Yes, the average 20-year-old is more physically attractive than the average 40- or 50-year-old. But, individually, there are 40 or 50 year olds who are more attractive than many 20-year-old women.

    I don’t know why any of this matters, anyway, since 95% of all Americans are going to be obese in 20 years.

    • primetime2123

      you mean old women are getting upset over it. Men of any age and younger women accept this.

      • Linda Jo Quinn

        No young vital lovely woman wants an old man even IF he is still capable of fertilizing an egg.

        • primetime2123

          ummm no. men with status and money date those women not broke losers who live with their parents. the most attractive girl I have seen recently is dating a much older doctor.

          • Linda Jo Quinn

            There is something in it for her..money.

          • primetime2123

            status and money. all women want that in a man. all women wish they could get a doctor or a man with status.

  • Crayven

    what’s wrong with a “young woman” as a wife? You got a problem with that??

    • Sarah

      yes, if you aren’t also young along with your wife then, as a mother, but also young, I do have a problem with that.

      • Crayven

        Tough shit, lady.
        Get some cats.

        • diamonddame

          shut your mouth, you’re probably married to an old biddy as you bully females on the net. im 25, dated a 46 yr old at 19 until i was 23 and he was 50… he was too old for me after a point. and he didnt want to spend any more since he had to send his kids to college (wake up younger women are largely attracted to your lifestyle) and i begun dating more reasonable men (24-35)… if ure not attracted to your own age young or old, something is wrong or there is personal gain involved. i had daddy issues man. old men need to stop being so delusional, self gratifying and mean. you’re not more desirable than your female counterparts, you just do something for the sexy youths older women dont, spend that paper.

          • Crayven

            I am 34. She is 26.
            We get along great. We have two daughters : 2 years and 10 months respectively.

            When you were 23 you should look for a guy around 30.
            The guy who was 50 got lucky. You didn’t.

          • diamonddame

            here’s the point —->. here’s you—–>missing it completely. lol wifey didnt snag the brightest bulb did she?

          • Crayven

            Petty insults, lol
            Whatever you old hag. I am happy and you’re not ^^

            Eat shit

          • diamonddame

            oh you’re still talking? still at this? from 2 days ago lol. touched a nerve

          • Crayven

            bored at work – i enjoy trolling retards 😀
            ( that’s you btw )

          • XT!

            The irony here is too funny.

          • Crayven

            don’t remember asking for your opinion, crawl back under your rock.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            8 years is not much of an age difference. Will you dump her when she starts aging? Or pay for some on the side?

          • Crayven

            probably not because i don’t tend to jump from woman to woman that much. I stick for the long term.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            How will you find her attractive then?

          • primetime2123

            probably cause he dumped you for someone younger and stop being a hypocrite since you date one of those “creepy old” men.

  • Robert

    That’s a lot of complaining. I’ve seen plenty of women leave a guy because he doesn’t make enough money. Who wants to be with someone whose interest in staying with them only goes as far as they maintain a good income? That’s the reality for relationships with many western women these days and why have a deeper relationship beyond sex with someone who thinks of you first and foremost as a wallet?

    Further, most guys are more savvy these days then in the past with the internet and better access to information, and they see that women will hook up with bad boys and degenerate types, and but will eventually get tired of that and try to find a “boring” responsible guy to pay for their sh*t. Well today even “nice” successful guys are aware of this and many are not interested in having women like this for anything more than sex.

    Lastly, American women are so hostile towards men, entitled, and demanding, that they can be just plain unpleasant to be around, so men don’t want to have a relationship with a shallow, hostile, status-focused person. Make yourselves people men want to stay around and men will stay.

    Otherwise they will just want you for sex and if they didn’t need you for sex they wouldn’t want you at all.

  • Sarah

    wow, when I was in my early 20’s I had no idea! I was interested in guys around my own age. In fact, the guys I liked were always within 1-3 years of me. I recall some guy flirting with me on the train in DC who appeared to be 5-10 years older than me. He was attractive, but I averted his interest because he seemed too mature to me. One friend was into a guy around 30 and I thought their relationship was weird because he was so much older than us! I thought “yuck!, he’s too old for her!!” I thought he was disgusting and perverted. I’m now in my mid thirties and have a teenager (who I created with a guy only a few months apart in age from me). I’m 20 years older than my daughter, the often age difference of nasty older men and their money-loving trophy wives. I doubt my daughter would find a man her parent’s age as attractive, but if she does, he won’t last! I think her dad would make him suffer greatly! I know I would! I would find some way to ruin him! Disgusting! Bastard! I find it disturbing that we might share the same pool of eligible men so I’ve made sure to train her properly. I think that this is something people need to do to prevent young women from going for older men. These older men are hoping that these young women actually like them or love them. The truth is that the majority of trophy wives cheat because they don’t really love their husbands. I’m not judging them, Marriage should involve love not fakery. Women prefer men closer to their own age, not nasty old men. Old men aren’t nasty when they can stop pretending to be young, stop preying on desperate younger women and actually find the beauty of women their own age. No one will be impressed if you bring a 2000 graduate to a 1980 grad reunion. Most people will think there’s something wrong with you and quality women you want to date in the future will find your previously youthful choice intimidating and questionable. I’m super cute and in my mid 30’s but only want to date guys who are 7 years younger than me and 7 years older than me. My BF is 4.25 years younger than me. We’ve been together for 10 years. My baby daddy is 5 months older than me. We were together for 9 years. For happiness, stay close in age to your partner. Sure, she might be beautiful, but that’s because she looks like your daughter might have, had you had one.

  • Sarah

    It just occured to me that one reason why women might give up on themselves is that men so often spout that they think younger women are more attractive. As a woman, for a while you are happy because you are in that group and then after a while you aren’t. You start to feel incredibly depressed and deeply angry at men for thinking that way and using biology as an excuse even though as a women you’ve been denying biology’s demands for years. Culture asks that women behave in a feminine way but biology asks that we behave in a range that may or may not include feminine qualities. Men make excuses for the call of their biology but women have paid heed to disciplined ignoring of their own biological traits for centuries. It’s difficult to have sympathy. We women are looking at men thinking “we’ve changed, adapted and moulded ourselves for you for eons, going against our biology all that time and yet you can’t do this one little thing and not try to fuck little girls?” I do not think feminism is odd at all. The traits in the feminist movement that men do not like, men have brought upon themselves. YOU CREATE YOUR OWN REALITY 🙂

    • primetime2123

      thats not men’s problem. that is your problem.

  • lamrof

    There really is no incentive for men to marry Women anymore, specially in the west. Marriage has become a dangerous trap for men. I was invited to a weeding of one of the son’s of a close friend. I declined and told the reason like it is. I can’t celebrate the demise of a young man who otherwise has a wonderful productive life. Marriage would turn him into a miserable deadbeat weight on society in 10 years.

    So if we don’t marry them what is there to look, specially at older women? Nada !

  • Dippshtt

    It’s pretty simple, actually. Most women become fat slobs after 25. There’s nothing wrong with older women, but to increase your chances of finding a women who isn’t taken and looks fit whether or not they work out, you have to go down in age. Just be aware, if they don’t have healthy habits, they will indeed turn into a fat slobs.

    • primetime2123

      women fade badly around 35 because they were designed to shut down reproduction early in life. So no reason for men to find them attractive when women can’t even reproduce. Men’s reproductive systems never shut down and never go through a menopause type process that women do. So it makes sense for them to look at biologically feasible women since men can still reproduce at any age.

      • Linda Jo Quinn

        Two letters for the abbreviation since you can’t handle the truth..E.D. meds.

    • Jim Johnson

      Let’s see…..a traditional, virtuous, good looking woman who keeps herself in shape, that manages to stay single past 25, despite wanting to marry……… Those kind of girls don’t exist. They will be snatched up at 18-20. Hence the term “unicorn”.

  • Mike

    Of course men find 20-23 year old women attractive. Shocker there. Their bodies are fully developed and they are prime for breeding. Face it. We’re mammals and things like intelligence and world views might be important too but when the animal brain takes over men are looking for clear skin to show a lack of disease and the basics like a round butt and ample breasts to feed the babies with. We’re hard wired that way. Its not just men either. INSTINCT. Humans have it too. Ive seen I don’t know how many otherwise modern women hit the age of 27-28 and go into baby frenzy and start bedding the first stable job guy they can find. Part of what makes us so successful as a species is our strong instinct to breed and we give it almost no credit.

  • nathan chisholm

    Im serving a cheeses board later and was wondering if you would like a whine with that?

  • AlbanA

    I am not surprised at all. But I don’t care as I am married also in my 30s.

    • Jim Johnson

      The thing is, for those of us men who are happily married to a decent moral woman are more than happy to look past all that. Sure she isn’t as physically attractive as when she was in her 20’s, but our relationship has grown past that. It takes time, time that some woman who decides to fritter away her youth riding the carousel or chasing after the mighty career does not have.

      • AlbanA

        Very true. None of us look the same as we age. I think these days is a lot harder for woman to age them man.

        • Jim Johnson

          “These days is a lot hard for women” I would agree. Women are far more susceptible to the feminist lie that she can have it all. Once looks fade and men stop thirsting after her, cold reality sets in. Guys on the other hand are valued for their resources, something that increases with age.

          • AlbanA

            Depends on a woman. So far I am aging much bette them my husband. I have given birth to 3 kids and look pretty ok. My husband is a lot bigger then me. He even jokes that he was the one having kids not me.

          • Jim Johnson

            Sounds like you did it the right way. I was referring to the career girls and those who fritter away their 20’s trying to live the adventure.

      • Mark

        I agree, I spend a lot of time in Ubud & Thailand & it never ceases to amaze me how many women I meet 28-35 yo trying to “find themselves” or “figure things out” after realising the corporate career cubicle is actually harder than it looks on TV & playing hop a dick isn’t as “empowering” as it once was. Why they open up to me I have know idea? then they try to latch on preaching “Iv’e grown” or “Im not that girl anymore” lol… If they were honest it would be “look, iv been brainwashed, im burnt out from my work, iv slept around alot, I think I want kids but not 100% sure, theres so much pressure on me from society on what I should/shouldnt do… Im a mess… Hmm I think I quite like you, one more hookup won’t hurt”
        Then if I go there, im the asshole for giving her want she wants but not giving her what she wants or worse, she follows me around for 2 weeks talking about feelings, the 4 hour work week, how to start an amazing online business & trying to get me to watch sunsets… FYI its my observation the only reason why a man watches a sunset is that hes a blogger, hes fishing, hes trying to get laid with a new girl or hoping he will get laid with his current girlfriend. Not attending a sunset with your girl is the quickest way to a reverse spooning that night….just my observation

  • Aperson Inscarborough

    I have actually read and watched quite a bit about what goes on in Thailand. I see old, white, saggy, often overweight and below average looking men with girls who look 12 (but are not 12, of course lol). As a woman, I find it highly disturbing…but it is disturbing to me because I cannot begin to imagine what is must be like for a young girl to be with a man of that age and looks. How must she feel when she forces herself to sleep with him…to let him touch her body? I am middle aged and even I cringe when I imagine being with a man like that. And I really dont mean to offend; as an Asian myself, my heart goes out to the girls.

    I also would like to know….from some of the different sort of forums I read, there are different sorts of men; men who say they genuinely love their wives and even though they sometimes will fantasize about other women, they still are very much attracted to their aging wives. Are these men somehow deluding themselves? Are they all “beta” as you might label them?

    • Mark

      Reading about it alot is one thing, being in the ground is another. Anything you watch or read is designed to provoke a preempted reaction, what they eyes see & ears hear the mind will believe…We are looking at this from 4 different prospectives, mine, yours, the younger girl & the older man. You cannot apply social approbium to another culture unless you understand it, feeling pity for a girl who is being touched by an older man is a reflection of what you think & feel not her, she may or may not feel the same, but what if she liked it? would you still have a problem with it?
      As for men still seeing there wives as attractive you may be confusing beauty with attraction, a girl might be hot but not attractive … i think all men appreciate beauty but that does not mean we will act on it… With time comes sentiment. Also in the age of divorce & us men getting shafted some guys just play the game. If we have a annoying pain in the ass wife who doesnt want sex & a young hottie showers us with attention… you could have a problem.
      Betas?? I dont believe in that, sounds like redpill crap. Those mens rights fellas have some solid points but they lose me with the us vs them crap…which makes them no better than the femnazis.
      I learnt this game in the military during behaviour training courses.

      • Aperson Inscarborough

        ok you make some valid points and you are clearly very intelligent. so…if old men can be totally happy with a very young girl who in most cases doesnt even speak their language. does it mean that the only thing important to a man is looks and sex? do men secretly want to be in a fatherly position in relation to their partners? are men really fulfilled having meaningful conversation with their male friends and coming home to a pretty face and that’s it? maybe that is it, I dont know.

        • Gr8 1

          Not to interrupt or interject here but think about the question you just asked; a man can be completely happy with a woman from another country, culture and have limited lingual communication and be more than content with her as opposed to some trick here in the states.

          Also, looks and sex are important to any man. Isn’t money and security important to women? Why are women’s standards for a guy praised but a mans standards for a woman deserves shame?

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I think gold diggers are pretty frowned upon everywhere. I cannot relate to this because I have always dated down, perhaps due to self esteem issues.(well, down money wise not necessarily looks wise). I honestly dont think money is all that important to a woman…not any of the women I have known. But I dont move in the typical circles.

            There are many ways other cultures have tried to solve these sorts of problems…there is polygamy, for example. What do you think of this? This way, a man can have variety while children are still raised in a family setting.

          • Gr8 1

            Polygamy doesn’t interest me. I don’t want one wife. How would I fare with 6?

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            LOL. ok so i am on a dating site and there are several older men who say there are looking for women who would be considered age-appropriate. Many of these men would seem desirable in that they are atheltic, intelligent, perhaps well-off, etc. What sort of men are these, in your opinion? Clearly they do not have low self esteem..or at least it doesnt seem like it. Why arent they trying to date much younger? I mean probably more men on those sites are trying to do just that, I dont know. But what is different about these men who are looking for women in their age range?

          • Mark

            Sorry to butt in but can I suggest that you concentrate on what you need to do to make yourself a more marketable proposition & stop thinking about what men are doing…if they want young hotties then leave them be, go find men that arn’t like this if there is any & direct your attention there. If you cant find any guys who want you for you then perhaps consider looking at the reality of the situation & taking action, we are entitled to nothing & the world owes us nothing.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            lol of course I will. I just like to explore the behavior of men. I have always found their behaviours a little hard to understand. I typically don’t have a hard time attracting men, I think because I am petite, small boned, have a high voice, and girlish qualities. But even this I find disturbing.

          • Gr8 1

            You have to specify what is age appropriate. That’s very broad. Lol. What kinda men are they? I’ve no idea haha. But may I ask, why are you on a dating site 😉 plus as Mark said, what are you bringing to the table? You’ve mentioned what these men are offering.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            lol of course you may ask. I joined because I wanted to see how much truth there was too all these articles i read about middle aged men only wanting women in their 20s. I wanted to see if there were a good number who were looking specifically for women within 5 – 10 years of their age. What I am bringing to the table is irrelevent to my question. I asked ….why are these men not like you? What is different about them, do you think?

          • Gr8 1

            Why are those men not like me? Lol. Because I’m Gr8 1 and they aren’t. Duh

        • Mark

          I cant speak for every man just myself. I personally compartmentalise my life, I wasnt raised with TV & use little social media so I don’t have the same subconcious brainwashing as many of the populations I have different friends whom i discuss investing/business opportunities, we talk relationships, art/design, politics, military etc….I do not want or require just one person who can fulfill all those roles. Thats why I cant understand some dumbass girls who want the total package.. strong/vunerable , masculine but in touch with his feminine side , can fight but is not aggressive…. Sounds like hollywood/cosmo bullshit to me…How about you get all touchy feelings with the girlfriends & leave being a man to us.
          My future wife will be someone whom i get along with & enjoy sex with… If it all goes pear shaped and I end up 50yo with hot young non english speaking girls then so be it, i get part of what i want, young tight booty & the rest gets taken care of by my social circle…
          I dont care what people say i care what they do, asian girls iv dated tend to not talk much like we do in the west because they have a different thought pattern, how ever they are very symbolic eg like to make sure you have a good meal, you are sexually satisfied etc in turn I do little things for them that are important to them… communication is not just about words.
          Not sure about being fatherly but id say its more to do with wanting to be respected & lead…protective instinct perhaps. At the end if the day, i go with my instinct, not my stupid feelings, my instinct… it says young is hot & desirable, older girls are friends only & great sex outweighs conversation if I can get it elsewhere. If i can find a woman who has it all, then il be even happier, but i dont hold out for fairytales

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            ok fair enough. but if you think Asian girls dont talk a lot, you have not known many Asians lol. If anything, they talk 100 times more

          • Mark

            But not about anything meaningful…im not interested in what celebs are doing or taking 100 selfies then discussing which is the best one to post… I do know one that is into investing but shes definatly the exception not the rule lol

      • Aperson Inscarborough

        Just out of curiosity, if you have a similar aged wife who keeps herself fit, does all the anti aging stuff within reason, and is not naggy but a kind person who retains a youthful attitude, would it be that hard to stay with her? I mean…is it really THAT horrible for a man to not be with a 20 year old if it takes a lot of extra effort?

        • Mark

          Im assuming you are asking me what I myself would do as I cannot speak for others, but if I have actually married the woman then it means she has satisfied the ‘tick list’ ie never been a tinder girl, has not slept around, likes to cook, is pleasant to be around, prenups or assets offshore etc then yes l think all would be fine… As long as im still attracted & my wife goggles are in place before the sag happens all is good… If she ends up a Jaded hardened old bag then the 20yo on the side will start looking very viable. The worst thing I believe that can happen to a woman is not physical aging its mental, becoming jaded. Ever wondered why most guys with options dont want to wife up the 26-30yo ex club hoe whos been rolled bolled & assholed & is angry at men? Jadedness. On top of that who wants to pay full price to pay for wedding & house when everyone else had her best years for free….well thats what I told my ex…..Bare in mind women can leave men for the same reasons, the difference lies in how we deal with it.
          Anyway, most men couldnt be longterm with a 20yo unless shes smart or doesnt talk…. hearing OMG & I was like this & she was like saying like 20 times in one sentence is a sure fire way to ensure we only stay cos of her tight body hence how they too end up like the ex club hoe…& the cycle continues

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            jesus all this talk about women as if they are appliances. why do most men on here sound like narcissists? we are PEOPLE

          • Mark

            because we are a faceless strangers on a keyboard, its far easier to be a realist online than in person even tho im the same in person. We are no appliances we are commodities, when you apply for a job which department do you submit your resume to?… HR = Human resources. You are a resource & so am I. Does a man have high value if hes short & unemployed? vs a celeb or CEO? Does a fat aging ex party girl with daddy issues have high value vs young hottie who is of sound character from a good background?
            We all have a measured value, employabable economic/tax value, sex value, partner value, friend value, parent value…Just because you don’t see or like it that way doent mean it isnt there. Dont hate the player just learn the game. To me life is a game, I learnt the rules & play to my strengths.

          • Mark

            True we are people but we are also faceless strangers on keyboards & its far easier to say the truth of what you truelly think as opposed to real life face to face unless you are like me & am this way in person also. Your peeps closest to you care about you as a person… The world & nature does not.
            Women arnt appliances, they are commodities just like men. Like it or not we all have a measurable value, sex value, wife/husband value, taxable citizen value, employee value, military fighting value, friend/best friend value. Just because you dont want to see it doesnt mean its not there.
            If you want a job where do you send your resume? HR, whats that? HUMAN RESOURCES. So what are we to the world? A RESOURCE. & RESOURCES have a measurable value.
            Who has higher value here: Nice Man whose 5’6, uneducated, minimum wage job, lives with parents vs nice man 6’3 educated, highly paid, owns his own home?
            Another: Woman over weight 40yo, burnt out, divorced, has kid, educated works long hours in corporate vs woman 25yo graduate, no kids, good shape, happy go lucky has work life balance.
            Now i didnt specify what kind of value. But who sounds like the better deal if you were looking for a partner.

            Also not every man thinks like me so dont take my opinion as the “truth”

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Yea….I never thought about it like that but I know you’re right about the value business. I’ve just never chosen my partner based on income but I see what you are saying.

          • Mark

            Im guessing its because they are being bluntly honest which is easy to do when you are just a person with a keyboard as opposed to in real life were they would have no voice & be silenced & shamed as being sexist misogynists for giving an honest direct non politically correct opinion.

          • Mark

            Im guessing its because they are being bluntly honest which is easy to do when you are just a person with a keyboard as opposed to in real life were they would have no voice & be silenced & shamed as being sexist misogynists for giving an honest direct non politically correct opinion.

          • Mark

            Im guessing its because they are being bluntly honest which is easy to do when you are just a person with a keyboard as opposed to in real life were they would have no voice & be silenced & shamed as being sexist misogynists for giving an honest direct non politically correct opinion.

          • Gr8 1

            Look at it from a male perspective though. We are ‘success objects’ to many women. The first question they ask when they meet you is ‘what do you do’ money is earned but a woman’s physical attributes are just a matter of the luck of the draw.

            There are pros and cons to everything. Looks depreciate over time while money appreciates over time. Men are tired of the entitled attitude many women have these days. We are expected to bring so much to the table while women think just bringing pussy to the table is enough. Then they complain about being objectified when they objectify themselves.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I guess but its upsetting cuz I have never looked at relationships that way. Not even a little. The one guy I dated who happened to be from a very wealthy family….I ended up feeling uncomfortable the entire time lol. But then I have never been dirt poor either. I have always dated for personality first and looks second…but yes, looks do matter no one can deny it….and I guess youth is more beautiful. But these articles always make it seem like anyone who is older has no hope or they need to do something drastic or something. I have read studies that show that although men are attracted to young women, they are also attracted to older….and most men end up sleeping with women near their own age (probably because of lack of opportunity but still…they do do it). And it can’t suck that bad if an older person still has a good enough body. I mean…that just wouldn’t be right. I know young women are more fertile and whatnot, but throughout history, its not like older women were left alone to die after a certain age….they still had sex, too. Do you really see recent pictures of Christie Brinkley or Julia Roberts or Halle Barry and think gross? I mean….men who think that’s gross….well men who are close to those women’s ages….that is something wrong in the head.

          • Gr8 1

            It’s not that there’s no hope but they do have to make adjustments. What happens is women’s expectations and standards rise as their value decreases. No other resource on earth works this way. No man of means would settle for a woman his age when he can afford younger and hotter.

            The women you mentioned while they have aged gracefully, in Halle’s case, she can’t stay married. Every man has run away from her. We will bang older women we just won’t commit to them.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Halle Barry clearly has psych issues..plus she chooses very well-to-do, good looking males. Brinkley’s husband cheated with an 18 yr old. Only Julia Robert’s man is still with her. They have kids though. And I think Julia Robert’s husband is 1 year younger even.
            Ok….now….why do you think that a womans demands increase as she ages? Wasn’t she always this way but perhaps a man notices bad things more because the looks fade and he is looking for a way out?
            If a man is attentive to the woman, I don’t think the naggy stuff happens.
            So….you guys have the upper hand in the relationship then because looks are more important to you than to the woman and the woman is far more attached to you than you are to her…is that it? Cuz women get more attached basically is what it comes down to…so once there is sex, automatically the man holds all the cards.
            So the solution for a woman, then, is to marry a much older man or be super nice and hope he doesn’t leave anyway, or marry someone undesirable.?
            I just don’t understand what happened to love in this equation. When a man says to his elderly wife, “youre still the prettiest girl I ever saw,” etc…why cant it happen that way? Is that all fake made up stuff for TV? Does he really wish he was banging a 19 yr old?

            Oh and also….when you say you would bang older just not commit….do you mean older than you or older in general…. I think you are still young but if you were like 45, do you mean you would bang a 40 yr old (whom you might still consider “older”) but not commit?

          • Gr8 1

            I think the reason a woman’s standards increase as her value decreases is that life kicks her ass and NOW she realizes the better deal may have been the nice guy all along but her youth and beauty were wasted on guys like me lol.

            The stuff you’ve mentioned, the lifetime movies they show on Saturday are fantasy land bs. I’m 33. I date 12+ years younger and older. But I’m in shape and have money. You are learning; after women give up the cookie, the man is in the drivers seat. But I feel I’m in the drivers seat from jump.

            The solution for women is actually realizing what you’ve realized but realize it 20yrs before you have.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            I did that….rejected all kinds of nice guys…some are now composers and professors and published and whatnot. In fact, I can still date some now but do not.

            But that is due to bad parenting and lack of guidance. If men were better and more responsible fathers, females wouldn’t be so messed up, chasing approval from unattainable men.

            Your honesty about yourself is rather impressive.

            Its just happening so fast…I looked the same until I was 45…and then suddenly, seemingly overnight..it all changed so drastically…and its exponentially happening now…everyday I can see it more and more…and its not my imagination…its a rapid progression now until menopause.

            And whats more, I just recovered from a very long term illness. Its like waking from a coma and suddenly being old! I cannot believe how fast its happening! Its insane!

            My friends tell me to just relax…be happy and stop being OCD and reading these shitty forums and that there are all kinds of men out there….but I am insane and I keep doing it!

            Because my father was just one of these men!!! And all my life I have been trying to understand them

            Fk I need a team of shrinks

          • Gr8 1

            Lol. I’ve no choice but to be honest with myself and as a result I’m able to be honest with others as well. It’s not just the fathers fault for bad parenting. Let’s not absolve women choosing such men to be fathers. Many instances against a mans will. But I digress.

            You’re talking about what certain circles call ‘the wall’. The moment women realize their time in the sun has run out. That panic button starts being pressed and it sounds like an SOS lol. You’re fortunate in that you’re in your 40’s. I know women that hit the wall late 20’s early 30’s.

            Your story isn’t uncommon. I wasn’t born this way. I was a nice guy. Heck, I’m still a nice guy. But in my early to mid 20’s, I wasn’t having the success with women I enjoy today. I was called, sweet and all kinds of saccharine names. But I wasn’t getting a whiff of twat. So what did I do? Focused on myself and my goals. As I began accomplishing things all of a sudden women are noticing me. I start recognizing I’m being objectified for my money and status. My body, my knowledge, my time.

            I start traveling and gaining perspective. I used to have a photo of my ex as my profile. Not long after we ended I found this place. My comment history speaks for itself lol. While I may be a bit abrasive or mildly offensive, I dare say I’m also quite entertaining and educational.

            You yourself admitted you passed over nice guys. Why would a guy want that to happen to them? I’m offended when women see me as a potential ‘relationship’ type. I’m not that. I’m the guy that will fuck your brains out then send you on your way to enjoy your day. I’ll date you. We will have a blast. But there will be no commitment or obligation. Again, I wasn’t like this before. Women taught me how to treat them. I’m a product of you.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            lol hehe I cannot help but chuckle at the silliness of it all.
            in my case, my mother did not choose her mate…it was decided for her via arranged marriage and she was abused her whole life as a result.
            in any case, I was smart enough to never get pregnant at least. also, I waited a long time to give it up.
            it is true..i have held up pretty well for a long while but whats happening now is crazy.
            I am sure the strong women reading me now think I am totally pathetic but I am just being honest. I am not and have never been a strong, self assured, independent woman. I wish I was and I have tried my whole life but I am just not.
            and you are right..every single a-hole I have met says the same thing..they used to be nice until everyone walked all over them. the worst players I have met were the ones who got zero action in HS…they were the losers and then they flipped to the other extreme.
            but this pathology of wanting the unattainable…it cant be only women with shitty fathers that do this….because it is too widespread to be just that. it makese sense for women to want the alpha.
            healthier women can just resist and do the smart thing, I guess.
            ugh thank God at least I get to die at some point and all these paradoxes wont matter.

          • Gr8 1

            Those strong independent women you speak of and want to aspire to are more miserable than you are now lol. Trust me.

            Lemme clarify something; I’m
            Not a player. I’m a non-committer lol. The relationships I have had I’ve been a good bf. I’ve just adapted and have seen too much that any Romeo I have left in me is a ghost. I’m telling you, women today aren’t worth a damn. Not the ones in the states. They are parasites. They want to have it all. I say go for it. But you can’t be a ho in your 20’s then want to be a housewife in your 30’s. Only a sucker would pay a premium on something that used to be free for everyone else.

            It does suck if you are an old school person in today’s dating realm. I am lucky. I have two parents. I had two grandparents up until recently. So I know what and how things used to be. That way of doing things is over. I’ve accepted that. Truthfully, for me there are times I recall when i was with a quality woman and know that in another time, I’d have made her a kept one. But like you’ve said, I know myself. And I know in today’s age, there’s too much pussy out here being given away. And if I really respect this woman I’d rather leave than cheat.

            I know too many ppl married or committed and still have or are open to side pieces. Not me. She’s gonna do whatever she’s gonna do, why stress over it? But with this mindset you realize that you’ll never really know intimacy again. As a man living with this realization, time is always on our side. As you’re experiencing, women eventually want more. They prefer commitment. They just don’t make commitment a worthwhile endeavor nor do they open their eyes until it is too late.

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            WTF I just wrote out a huge reply and its gone WTF

          • Gr8 1

            I saw it lol

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            Maybe I can adapt too and become comfortable with open relationships.

            oh who am i kidding

            ok well maybe now, nicer men will become more appealing. i can already see it happening….but there are just fewer of them is all. well fewer ones who are desirable. maybe i can find one with some depth….you never know…..

            you said that the trade off is not knowing real intimacy….isnt that a huge trade off? i mean…you are still young but later, you will know that is almost all there is.

            but then you can just have that whenever you want it anyway. women wanting that are a dime a dozen

            what a horrible sad place the world has become

          • Gr8 1

            Exactly right. If I have say four women in rotation, what’s the rush or point of settling or committing to any one of them?

            Intimacy is overrated. Considering the price a man is asked to pay. Again, if things weren’t as they are today I could see the value in such practices back in the day. Men at least got services for their chivalry. You don’t date women so allow me to school you on that; while young and hot these chicks are the most entitled, spoiled self absorbed brats imaginable. Not until later when they lose the ability to manipulate men with their sexuality do they realize ‘oh shit, I’m alone’. Women get lonely easy. Because sex has dwindled in value commitment has become more valuable because it is so rare.

            Women can claim they can be just like men with their feminist clap trap. But when they reach your enlightenment they are hit with the reality that they have a time limit. As a man I must admit it is most satisfying when I see girls who used to be pretty bitches start hitting that wall. Then with kids in tow and a worn down chunky body come crawling to me with their arrogance as if NOW they see what a catch I am and think they actually have a shot. Gtfoh! It’s hilarious actually.

          • Jim Johnson

            I would completely agree, except the “it is satisfying” part. I suppose if you have a vindictive personality it would be satisfying to see over the wall women living a life of regret and cats. They have been caught up in the feminist lie, same as most people out there. While men are hurt from it in their youth, they pull through and have the advantage later in life. Women are more susceptible to the lie, and it has far longer and damaging consequences, even if it does give women the chance to take advantage of others in their youth.

          • Gr8 1

            For those who have been deceived I take no joy in them eating cat food. My satisfaction comes from the ones who thought they knew better, were entitled brats who thought this ride would never end; the ride being having guys pay for things etc. Then once they hit that wall they look back and try and reach out to that ‘nice guy’ from way back when. Arrogantly thinking he’s been waiting with baited breath for her inevitable return when she now ‘knows better’. Those women can go kick rocks as far as I’m concerned.

          • Rosie Bbawi

            don´t kid yourself you are as common and basic as they get.You are every idiot at the gym lining up and checking himself out by the mirror. You are a soulless narcissistic shell who will either end up in prison, with an STD or die alone…..or hey maybe even all three. Don´t worry my friend, it´s not our fault, it´s yours for manipulating, exploiting and toiling with the feelings of fragile women. We may hit a “wall” but we aren’t missing out on shit, that wall is a wall of protection from low life pieces of shit like you. I’ve been hot and it never garnished me anything other than attracting low life trash like you, there were no “nice guys” that I rejected. Get REAL. Oh and I have my own money, always have and always dated men poorer than me so now what? Ever considered the novel idea that some women may actually just want…l….lll….LOVE? Oh no you haven’t, because soulless narcissistic shells like you don’t know love. Enjoy your progressive decay….oh and don’t get fired :)….commodity!

          • Gr8 1

            Sigh. Here I was having an amicable discourse with a lovely woman and here you come with your overly yappy, sappy, horse shit. I’m far from soulless, I don’t have social media of any kind so narcissistic doesn’t really fit. If you were to say arrogant I may be inclined to agree with you. When I’m at the gym I’m focused. No time to take pictures. Why would I end up in prison? Why would I catch an std? Everyone dies alone dumbass. See? I actually addressed all of your trite tirade and feel dumber because of it.

            Now let me dissect you further like they used to do to frogs in science class. First I’m gonna take my tool and make a large incision; I’m guessing you’re slightly if not majorly overweight if your available dating options make less money than you do. And yes the wall is real. EspeciLly for the good looking women. The chubby chongas like Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall long ago.

            Fragile women? Lmao. I don’t really need to talk about this one as it seems you do a better job demeaning your gender than I do. Enjoy your love flakes.

          • Rosie Bbawi

            oh a gymrat? how fucking predictable. You would end up in prison most likely by taking your narcissism out to the streets, most likely raping someone and then getting caught….unfortunately invincibility was only your online delusion. STD, that’s easy.From getting sooooo much pussy and slipping off the condom so you can brag bout it to your buddies. Now let me tell you about the wall. One day your going to wake up and see that your protein binge left you looking dryer than a fucking raisin, your balls don’t sit right and tight anymore, theres hair growing out of your ears,ass nose(you name it) and you get fired from the awesome job that was to guarantee you all that “young tight pussy.” You’ll be sitting in bars staring down waitresses being that old disgusting weirdo that ends up going home with the “chubby chongas” you once mocked. as for myself, im in great if not perfect shape, got great genetics and actually take care of myself because I understand that times unkind to BOTH men and women. Oh and fragility is in no way demeaning, the senseless asshole who attacks a women’s innocence by taking advantage of her is the only POS I degrade. Thanks for the sparr btch….rrrr guppies got fangs!

          • Gr8 1

            Hmm. I think I remember dealing with an amoeba like you in the past. Very similar disillusions, fascinating.

            Again, I’ve never raped nor would I ever rape a woman. I only deal with women who want to fuck me and I’m always protecting myself and check myself every 4 months just to be certain because I am a bit of a pussy magnet. And I only deal with quality meats.

            Here’s the thing sweets, age comes to us all but men and women wear age differently. Reason? A woman’s value is her physical a woman’s commodity is her physical. The physical deteriorated much faster than what a man is valued for; his ability to provide, his guidance his knowledge etc. Which generally increases with age. Fortunately I’ve longevity genes and take care of myself as you can see. I’ll be bagging dimes into my 50’s I promise you that. And my money is quite nice and will only grow.

            I don’t take advantage of women. The women I fuck do so willingly. So again keep up your third grade logical and reasoning skills. Keep up with your dr. Seuss. ‘The cat and the hat will be the future for this brat’ lol

          • Mark

            Now this was entertaining, you’re man after my own dark heart.
            I see you hit a nerve, aint it funny how everyone says they want the truth… until its about them.
            Now im no red piller but the ‘wall’ thing they go on about is definately accurate.
            My ex 31yo wanted to “honestly” know why I wasn’t keen on marriage (after weeks of shit) my reply was ” Look Carly, il stick around but I aint paying for wedding, honeymoon & a mortgage for someone who gave away her best years for free to the half the town & now expects me to pay full price for being last to the party”…it went on a bit more but you get the gist… next thing you know im the asshole for being honest.. cant win… strange thing was she told her mother who sided with me… funny old world.

          • Gr8 1

            Lmao. No way am I paying a premium price for a garage sale item. I’m no red puller either but I’m not dropping dollars on broads for twat that used to be free for everyone else. No other resource on earth works this way.

            You are so right about honesty. But hey, they wanted to burn bras and shit. You can’t demand equality and also expect special treatment.

          • primetime2123

            Christie Brinkley is the only woman on earth that age that looks like that…lol..plus when men get older there testosterone decreases and only fertile women can give them erections…sucks for you older women but that is truth

          • Aperson Inscarborough

            well enjoy the viagra to get your limp and wrinkly dicks up cuz you die before we do ha. even hefner who fked 19 yr olds, needed viagra and still only managed to get it up infrequently. and he had a to pay the women for their suffering lol

          • Sam2

            Hey you’ve got three people on here telling you very similar if not identical messages. Try and understand that we have more experience dating women than you do. By the way I am separated from Mr. GR81 by a couple thousand miles and didn’t know who he was from Adam before getting on the Disqus. But he’s got a VERY similar experience with the lady folk as I do. By the way I’ve got a few years on him too. Now one of two thing is going on here, either it’s just a coincidence that three people on here who have never met each other have such similar life experiences, or there is a broader trend going on.

            Mr. GR81 at least would agree with me that it’s the latter. Today’ woman acts in a particular way. Which way is that? Well you’ve already been told about it. In my case you’ve shut me out because you think that I’m “Too hatefull” as if that has any bearing on the validity of what I’m saying. With the fella above you’ve essentially said that he dehumanizes women. The only one who’s voice you’re listening to is Mr. GR81. That great because that dude knows what he’s talking about. In fact I’ll tell you that whatever he says about this subject I agree with. I don’t even need to know what he’s going to say. To be fair he’s been on this board for a good while, as have I, so I essentially know where he’s coming from. But, either way he is also going to be saying the same message as me but in a more articulate and awesome way.

            Just think about what I’ve said.

          • Gr8 1

            Much appreciated.

          • Gr8 1

            Bless your heart. Couldn’t agree more.

          • Sam2

            Beautiful man just beautiful.

          • the_spiral

            I know you’re getting some hate here but I’m a woman and I agree with your worldview. You have summarized women quite accurately here…as far as men see them. Of course, *being* a woman is very different from what you describe. But you wouldn’t know that, just as I don’t know the experience of being a man. Hence, the divide we call misogyny/misandry/term du jour for something much older.

          • Mark

            I didnt know i was getting any hate? but thanks for the reply. I just call it as i see & experience it. My world view isnt particularly popular but the truth never is if it just happens to reflect a particular persons life with whom you are speaking that truth to at the time.

  • Aperson Inscarborough

    Thanks. It’s been eye opening to hear things from a male perspective. I honestly had no idea men were this unhappy and felt this attacked until I was introduced to the MGTOW movement. It goes a little deeper than just a-holes wanting to sleep around. Or at least I hope so lol

    • Gr8 1

      I’m glad you’re open to other perspectives. You’re right also in that many men are very unhappy. Just the fact that men would rather travel thousands of miles to find happiness with in many cases third world country women should be reason enough for introspection.

  • Tyler

    Just because you think a 22 year old woman is attractive doesn’t mean most older men actually ending up dating a 22 year old. When it comes to an actual relationship things other than looks matter but that doesn’t mean people stop liking a certain look. Its natural, there’s no reason putting a moral judgement on it.

    • Jim Johnson

      Dating material is not the same as marriage material. Women are sexually attractive clear until 35 or so. Guys will lavish them with attention, but what they won’t do is commit their lives to them.

      • Mark

        I explain this simple concept to any +30yo woman who trys to date me. The look on their face when the light bulb goes on is priceless.

        • lili

          Whoa! I am not american and I am 28 year old woman I never dated anyone because I was too shy, I am someone always happy and optimistic but after reading all of the replies you made me cry and lose hope I should just forget about love since he will leave me because i am 28 no matter how good i am to him 🙁

          • Mark

            Hey calm down, what have I said thats so bad to make you cry? You said you’re not american so you can probably be considered exempt from alot of the opinions I have. My opinion is based on observations of western feministic women. Im sure your fine just the way you are. No need to lose hope, maybe just learn to put yourself out there a bit more? I apologise if what I have said upsets you, Its not directed at you personally ok.

  • Detonat3

    How is this disturbing? It’s bleedingly obvious to anyone with half a brain and it’s how nature intended it.

    • Jim Johnson

      Yup, this is only a disservice to women who want to fool nature by saying they can slut it up for a decade without consequences.

      • Mark

        There is always a future cost for past pleasures… & decisions

  • Jim Johnson

    Let’s see if you hold this opinion in a decade……….tick tock

    • Tre”NoLove”Holliday

      Jim Johnson you are not valuable, you have issues to deal with and it’s no ones responsibility besides your own. Your going to die a lonely person, no one likes that kind of baggage and to be honest if I saw you around my family I’d kill you, I’ve done it before I’ve seen people like you date my females and you know what they were in a very unfortunate hunting accident, you pray you never cross my path, I kill for a living

      • Mark

        thats a bit extreme isnt it? I highly doubt you have done these things. Video game kills don’t count in the real world.

  • Jim Johnson

    Lay off the porn and wanking, and you will have a new life in that department. I am 42, and quit all that a little over a year ago, along with working out. I tell you, I am waking up now with morning wood, pitching a tent at random occasions, etc. It is like I am a teenager all over again.

    • Mark

      haha way too much info… was just taking the piss towards the angry lady, im 36yo & am in the same position as you, the gym works wonders…being with a young hottie also plays a part in cracking a chubb haha

      • Jim Johnson

        I suppose I should have caught that. I’m married with children, the gym does help. Not just for me, but my wife, oldest son, and both daughters are now doing regular exercises as well. It pays dividends on having a healthy wife, and kids who will be able to properly attract when the time comes.

  • numbers_31_18

    It’s just instinct.

    A woman of 15-20 (depending on diet) has the highest chances of successful reproduction and getting a kid to the same stage. Men seek young women for that reason, despite whatever else they think.

    Ladies – you probably don’t know the torture we go through. Thinking of sex is something that consumes most of our processor power unless we really focus. Put any old guy in a shopping mall and you can bet that 80% of his CPU is devoted to scanning for young hotness, even completely at a subconscious level. It’s *not* a personality flaw, or some sort of pedo/creep issue. Unless the man is not healthy, he will be doing it, as it’s part of our nature.

    Women seek a combination of youth (health) and tribal power. Power first, which can be expressed in many ways, but typically enough power to ensure the safety of her offspring, then youth as a bonus — the alpha warrior/leader to increase odds of survival. So if the most powerful guy around is old, so be it. Why else would men be fertile their whole lives and women not? Do you think Trump’s wife would be around if he worked at McDonald’s?

    Though people don’t admit it, it’s just how nature works, and without those instincts we’d probably not even be here. As harsh as it sounds, women have eggs for sale and men compete for that. We’re animals, all.

    On the plus side, especially for ladies, we’ll have genetic interventions within 20-30 years to rewind the clock to whatever age you like. Your atoms are the same age as that 19 year old next door that your husband can’t get enough of, so it’s just a matter of rearranging them back to what they once were, or better. And for guys, well, we’ll have ageless artificial women, so will be able to keep out instincts busy and not piss off the humans!

    • Jim Johnson

      Yup, even when I am kicking axe at work, I still am thinking things like, “dam I got it together and what I am doing is gonna get me laid”.

  • lamrof

    LOL. That Jackass will regret it in no time. I saw a youtube vid where US American men of all sorts with lonely hearts looking for wives in Colombia. Black, White, Asian men and others, 30 to 65 years of age. They are told the women are mostly looking for status and better lives and are necessarily not looking for companionship. The guys seemed not to care, they pay tens of thousands of dollars, to bring them to the US. Some couples stay together for long, others are back at it in 5 years as the women get the feminist bite and change skin once they get their green cards. The guys are willing to take that risk though, just to feel the innocent feminine (not spoiled by a feminist venom) warmth of a Woman for few years.
    What does this tell you? that the US (and the west, specially the English speaking countries) are filled with Women (born in or migrated) which are spoiled by feminist laws and the culture created around it. You can’t touch the women here with a long stick for relationships. You can work with them in the work environment. relationships, NO WAY !

    • Mark

      I have a few friends who are divorced and have taken up foreign wives in Australia & seem happy but I have noticed as time goes by the women start to get a bit more demanding & aggressive, some more than others, which I can only theorise as being influenced by female coworkers & the constant bombardment of fem ideals pushed in the media, music, social media etc which on the surface isnt really a problem but from my military behavioral training background i know it has an effect on a subconcious primal level as much of the brainwashing uses certain words & phrases which has a cognitive effect whether you are aware of it or not. Just look at how effective advertising is, go open someones fridge or cupboards & you can soon figure out how suscepticle to subconcious messages they are.
      Personally if I were to get married to a foreign woman I would stay in her country, leverage my $$$, education & take advantage of the fact she would likely abide by the aprobrium of her culture being that shes unlikely to behave in a way that would bring shame on the family & social standing…..This doesnt mean i can behave like an ass & not value her but it will make it less likely that we will butt heads over stupid arguments like wage gaps etc …I have no problem if a woman wants opportunity, status in her community & resources… its natural for them to pursue this… its also natural for guys like me to want a young tight feminine hottie not a washed up 35yo feminist who suddenly realises she wants kids or worse a single mum.

    • Mark

      Food for thought… love & marriage as we know it today has not been around that long, marriage was once away to pool resources…in my opinion the word ‘love’ ie true white knight i will slay a dragon for you love has been a convenient money maker & way to romantisise war… There are industries devoted to it, music, film, food, holidays, military, literature, jewellery and more… now im not saying ‘love’ doesnt exist but can we atleast open our eyes to the “possibility” that it may have been used for reasons other than romantic coupling? Just as the mechanical clock of today as we know it today is a wonderful technology used to “tell time” as most would say, it is actually been far more effective for industrial purpose to organise labour & resources & religeous activity, without the clock we wouldnt have modern day capitilism…. I guess im just saying there are consequences & unintended consquences of any decision/action we choose to take … it just amazes me how so few people can connect the dots.
      The feminists have altered the dance between man & woman in the west…for good or bad only history will tell but what i do know is that im not waiting around to wife up a used up 30yo corporate lass whos played hop a dick & now has a ticking bio clock.

    • Mark

      Whoa….just spoke to one of the lads I used to work with and found out the guy i mentioned in the above post is now separated from his wife….its only been 4yrs lol….rumour has it hes now dating one of the young cleaners

  • Jacob Hunnicutt

    These comments are funny. We humans have such high opinions of ourselves and all our fancy BS.

    Don’t complicate this, it’s not that hard. Men like women at this age because this is when they are most fertile. It’s driven by Biology not chauvinism or nagginess or feminism or anything else you read in Glamour. This is just your upper brain telling a story while your lower brain runs the real operation.

    We are primates and a male primate, regardless of his age, gets his genes into the next generation most readily by mating with young fertile female primates. As many as possible. That’s why they appear more attractive to males.

    Conversely females are more likely to seek out males that offer not just fertility but stability and protection. Unlike a male they can only push their genes into the next generation once every nine months. They better make sure their offspring is well cared for and safe. An established older man often fits the bill better than the younger in this regard.

    In the immortal words of Eminem, “We ain’t nothing but mammals”

  • http://www.sprinklescentsations.com JusTheFacts

    Okay I know this article is old but im going to put my 2 cents in anyways . I found this article because I googled ” women look their best in their 40s ” and found this, the reason I was searching is because I had noticed alot of my friends and myself seem to look better now that we are in our 40s! I have NEVER run low on men who wanted to date me, even though I am married and have been for 30 years so I don’t think in reality this is true at all. I have had men chose me over younger women ! And I do NOT consider myself a raving beauty! I have had 3 children , I have signs of aging and so on BUT as a woman in her 40s I have matured , gained wisdom, learned to love myself anyways , gained a sense of humour , found my passion, found confidence , spirituality …alot of things a woman in her 20s and 30s are still looking for . Younger men desire these traits and older men admire these traits in a woman, but guess what? I am so much more mature and confident I really don’t care what a man wants I care more about what I want!

    • Jim Johnson

      “I have never run low on men…”
      “I am married…..for 30 years”

      So, is your husband fine with you flirting, or are you just talking out your rear?

  • Sex Kitten Party

    Men are pathetic and disgusting, no seriously. People can argue it’s socialization that makes men more prone to sexually assaulting/harassing/violating women in societies where men are historically the empowered gender. But there are plenty of cultures out there where women are the leaders and men are subservient. You don’t see them doing that shit to the men beneath them. I guess men are just inherently bad people. Ya ya call me a man hater, like I give a fuck. I’m a beautiful young blonde just completely disgusted by my observations of men and all the harm they cause the world. I don’t even want a guy but I’m not a lesbian–trust me I’ve tried. Guys fucking suck in bed, they have horrible technique from all the porn they watch and never make me cum. If I had to chose between my vibrator and a guy, I’d choose my vibrator every day of the week and twice on Tuesdays.

    • Mark

      well im glad you got that off your chest.

      • Jim Johnson

        Yes, a woman like that has SO much more to offer than her looks.

        • Mark

          “I’m a beautiful young blonde” shes actually 38yo & needs anti deps according to her other posts. Probably was hot, maybe still is for her age but the problem with the cruel gift of beauty is its a gift you have to give back slowly. If I were her Id be working on my character. Being a bitch is only viable when you’re a young hottie. Such a sad demise.

          • Jim Johnson

            Probably too little too late if she tried. Sad

  • Jenna Jerald

    OK, logically here peoples. First HUMAN NATURE! Men SHOULD find young 20ish women attractive. Think about it reproductively women are the MOST fertile at that age & young enough to bare several children. We have survived for hundreds of thousands of years because of this. We forget to look at this from a Scientific aspect. These men aren’t pigs or sick, they are honest & it IS nature. The STRONG survive. Why should that suddenly change?

    • Jim Johnson

      I think what is making women mad on this thread is they are seeing a big dose of reality here go directly against the lie they have been told their whole lives. A 20 something is most attractive, if they used that attractiveness to find a top notch man it will serve them good. a man who has vested interest in her through marriage and family will not dump her because she ages along with him. (70 % of divorce is initiated by women) However a good man will not pick up an aging woman to marry if she is an aging bar hag with a few bastards in tow. They had their fun and reality is a bitch sometimes

      • Mark

        I agree 100% but unfortuanately Jim I have seen a few good men personally shack up with the aging bar hag with bastards in tow because they felt like any attention was better than constant rejection & humiliation. My close bud is the nicest guy i know to everybody not just women. He treats everyone well but gets walked over by women who chase guys like me. I consider him a much more pleasant person than myself but he has been kicked so many times by women that hes taken what he can get to not feel lonely & is now with 29yo single mum who played all coy & nice for the first 6months & then her true self came to light. He takes her shit because he thinks its what a man should just do. I’ll be there to pick up the peices as usual. But I seriously am concerned about possible future suicides in my circle, you look into their eyes & behind the stoic “yeh im all good” you can see the hopelessness in those eyes.

        • Jim Johnson

          I have an older brother like that, chewed up and spit out twice by women he should have known.

          I did things a little different. Once I had enough experience with women like that to realize the absolute poison they can be, I saw a good religious friend to mine hitch up with this pretty, virtuous 19 YO. We were 23 at the time. I decided to get into religion for that (never set foot in church prior), and for other reasons. I gave up my vices and cleaned up. For a time, my love life was crap. The religious girls thought I was just doing it to get under their skirt, the other girls thought of me as a square, but with time the religious girls warmed up to me. At 28, I married a virgin 23 YO bride. Now at 42, we have six kids and a strong healthy marriage.

          • Mark

            Its funny how many women look at you like that when you come into their group. I took ball room type dance lessons & most of the women made remarks that I was just there to try hook up….My mother was a dance teacher & always wanted me to learn but I didnt. She got cancer & before she died she asked me to learn so I did…When I told the women this the stupid look on there faces were priceless…I didnt date a single one & it drove them nuts.
            I congratulate you on finding a great woman & having a strong family. Im not religeous but I do believe a virgin wife is still the gold standard , not infallible but its the best indicator of good character that I can think of.

          • Jim Johnson

            Just looking at divorce objectively from a statistical point of view, a virgin bride is the only reasonable choice. We all have seen the scourge divorce has wreaked on the family, and promiscuity is probably the number one indicator you can see before signing the marriage papers.

          • Mark

            Couldnt agree more, its a pity men are shamed if they openly voice that they would prefer a virgin for marriage, cue the words insecure, weak, intimidated etc….Many potentials have got upset when I mention that if we ever got married you can forget wearing a white dress as its a pure colour, you cant go from little miss “im a modern empowered liberated hop a dick woman” to miss “im a tradtional type of girl” when it suits.

  • deldern

    Market forces are always at work. Youth is golden, so is beauty. Intelligence to a certain point but it’s not the most sought after quality, although no worthwhile man wants a dummy. Social and homemaking skills are very important and, of course, sexual compatibility goes without saying. Men are prized more for money and power than looks. We are hardwired this way. Women need a strong man to protect them and their young children. Men who have that to offer get the cream of the crop. Men also have hormones that make them horny all the time. Thus they tend to view all women as sex objects to a degree. While men may ideally want a 20-something, I have found that they will usually screw almost anything. I’m a woman and I would love to know if I’ve gotten it right. If not, what am I missing?

    • Mark

      I used to screw almost anything but then I decided that if I continue then Im partly responsible for the very culture of women we want to avoid, also when it comes to you so easily it tends to lose its value so now I just work on myself, got some hobbies, read, travel & ride bikes… Some men like myself also highly value discretion & privacy. A massive red flag to me is when a young woman “tells her friends everything” & requires the group opinion on almost all matters. Im fine with opinions, supporting & venting about certain topics, im not censoring but I personally would never nor have I revealed to my friends about my partners sexual quirks, performance, salary etc nor would I belittle my partner behind there back as Iv heard so many women do, even otherwise “good women” after a few wines. I know its a bonding thing but it can also be seen as a character flaw. Divorce is rarely a singular decision on the part of a woman, it involves the “council”….As for the rest of what you wrote i think its on point.

      • primetime2123

        a woman’s friends will be okay with you if you have money

        • Mark

          I have that but the issue I find is if your GF is happy they sing your praises, if shes annoyed they knife you…They’re like lemmings sometimes.

    • Jim Johnson

      The only part I would say you are missing is the relationship dynamic once marriage and kids are started. A guy wants a hot young girl if single, of course. But, if they have kids together, there is a level of commitment that overcomes the desire for the young sex object, especially if the woman proves herself worthy of commitment. At 42, I would prefer my 38 YO wife over a young random girl that has not proved her trustworthiness, nor borne my children.

    • primetime2123

      You are correct but once a guy reaches 30+ he will not screw anything since he is not blinded by hormones anymore.

  • TheMagician

    The main problem that women have is they think guys think like women do. For example, women want a guy who is a provider. So women think “Oh look at me, I have a master’s degree…I am eligible female”. The guys don’t come and she goes crazy trying to figure out why. The answer is guys don’t care about her Master’s Degree. Maybe it is worth 1%, but if you show a picture of a hot female bartender who looks great in a bikini and a female doctor who is a 8 face and bikini wise…every guy out there covets the hot girl in the bikini. That is just the way it is. So girls take that as “men are threatened by smart independent women”. Well no actually. It is just that it is not a significant variable. For example…let’s say I am really good at some videogame…world class good. Do women care? No. Well it is the same way for men and women being smart.
    Guys look for attractive women because there is some primitive thing going on in our heads which we have no control…probably has to do with bearing healthy offspring.

    • Jim Johnson

      Looks, and if a guy is looking for marriage material, virtue, disposition, political views, self control, and other things come into play. That and if the guy is successful, her career success is a negative as it shows her priorities are skewed.

    • primetime2123

      men don’t really go for attractive women. they go for fertile looking women.

  • mike2375

    This is common sense. Anyone shocked by this has been living a sheltered delusional life. Of course men want the best looking women. Thats what men seek, thats what men are attracted to. It’s been like that for history of mankind. Are we shocked that women want the guy with the money and ability to provide a good life for his family? No its common sense

    • Mark

      My company has had to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to remove the words “common sense” from all our documentation. It would appear “common sense” is not actually that common lol

  • Gr8 1

    ‘It’s disturbing’ No it isn’t. It is natural.

    • Jim Johnson

      It is disturbing to women who bought the “Sex in the City” feminist lie and spent their youth in frivolous pursuits. They are lied to, and then get mad at men for not living that lie along with them.

  • Mark

    Have a friend who is divorcing his wife after she made fun of his manhood in front of 15 odd people a few weeks back while drunk, my sis immediately scolded her for the act but the damage was done…she was miserable to him before hand anyway. We advised him to boot her out of the house and look after the kids as its favourable with the courts for custody here. Shes a big unit and is now like a tubby 33yo hamster on an exercise bike trying to slim down to jump back on the carousel which everyone in our group knows is going to not end well for her. In the mean time “johny”whos 36yo is inundated with younger women and were having a hard time keeping him under control thanks to all the tinderellas throwing themselves at him. “Jane” is about to be a pumpn dump who only the most horny guys will use a tissue and is living on her sisters sofa .. Johny worked his butt off for her and the kids and she was always putting him down publicly….long road ahead in divorce court but longterm he will be the winner I hope….

    • Jim Johnson

      Don’t count on it. Your friend has the courts stacked against him. If he claims “verbal abuse” that will go over like a lead balloon.

      • Mark

        Im pretty sure he’l get taken to the cleaners but were just trying to minimize it. He aint the sharpest tool in the shed considering he married her….my dumb shit sisters fault too…his ex asked her years ago how she could get him to marry?…she told her to get pregnant, fail epic fail…my sis has alot to answer for hence she is looking out for him to try redeem her guilt.

  • walker

    We men dont need to leave any explanation for droves of delusional feministic women –let them find out the hard way if they think they are so smart.

    Thats why i tell young guys they should NOT even think about marriage Until they are established in life , ie house finances Job etc which usually takes 15+years
    and may go into their 40s’ . See men can have children at any age and with strength , muscle training, calisthenics we can stay whipped into shape defying the age/look paradox.
    We Men age like wine unlike women who age like milk , and they are on a limited time schedule for babies and family .

    Then once established male can be ready for the nice fresh ” nawalt ” girl of innocence , love , mercy, truth and Family /Husband Unity in her mid 20s , and
    (screen her without her knowing it) using your wisdom to determine carefully the correct one .
    Our culture makes many men think they are to marry around the same age right out of high school — but its not the best solution and many men get divorced by women .
    Its a fact if a woman is close to our age they tend to want to act like our mothers , but not so if they are in their early 20s’ and us a nice distance away in years
    —- as they then are under a different mindset because they are not near our age and then they will honor us and remain submissive to us.
    Also the younger a woman is , the less she has been around corruption of mind of other feminist women brainwashing them .
    Instead being virgin , pure /fresh free of jadedness etc . the closer to her natural innocent character she Is designed to be .
    them
    Its amazing .

    Many women can change, and its their choice to put all the underworld darkness to rest once and for all , getting back down to earth where they are suppose to be about , TRuth , Innocence , Family /Unity , Love and Honor to their husband .

    1)is the youngest female possible —the least corruption in mind in general or corrupted conditioning and is less in the younger the female is –more closer to purity, freshness and farther from jadedness, slutdom etc–also the old saying is the horse can be conditioned/ trained and retains this permanently to its master

  • Tiger Bos

    Men no matter how old fat bald or ugly they are think they deserve a fetus for a girlfriend

  • Terry Vanderpuke

    13 teen to 16 teen is the best age for me, I like to teach them good sex

    • Mark

      Each to there own but I think you might be want be careful there….Probably not a wise thing to do

  • TruthTeller

    “..Or, you can look at it this way: Men’s expectations never grow up…”

    But of course women’s natural golddigging instinct is fine.

    The big dirty secret however is that 22 year old cutie is likely going to metamorphasize over time. Very good chance she’ll become a very much expanded version of herself. In about 15 years you’re not going to have that young cutie. However 15 years from now your money will spend just as well.

  • willaim

    Wow it’s is a shocker women look best 20-23 . Also best ages for child bearing shocker. Women want a guy who can provide well and still look young at 30 shocker. What idiots write this stuff what bubble have they lived in all thier lives. Reality is different from what we want though. Don’t take this as nothing more than a wish list . But 30+women for you this survey is terrifying the wall takes no prisoner’s

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